Saturday, September 22, 2007

Forget About What The Church Really Teaches...
Just get in touch with your feelings

Along comes John Hawkins of TownHall.com with this bit of blinding common sense;

Explaining Liberal Thinking In A Single Column

Here's a tad bit of his article;

Liberals love to think of themselves as intellectual and nuanced, but liberalism is incredibly simplistic. It's nothing more than "childlike emotionalism applied to adult issues." Very seldom does any issue that doesn't involve pandering to their supporters boil down at its core level to more than feeling "nice" or "mean" to liberals. This makes liberals ill equipped to deal with complex issues.

Since liberals tend to support or oppose policies based on how those policies make them feel about themselves, they do very little intellectual examination of whether the policies they advocate work or not. That's because it doesn't matter to them whether the policy is effective or not; it matters whether advocating the policy makes them feel "good" or "bad," "compassionate" or "stingy," "nice" or "mean."

Examples;

1. As I've pointed out before, being an illegal alien is a mortal sin. If you disagree with me, then explain to me why The 10 Commandments admonish us not to lie, cheat, or steal. But that's exactly what illegal aliens have done the moment they enter this country illegally. And as I've pointed out before, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is very straight forward when we're instructed that immigrants are bound to obey the laws of their new country. Not only that, but the CCC also states that nations have every right in the world to control their own borders.

2. Again, as I've pointed out, it's the official teaching of The Church that in cases of extreme gravity, the death penalty is a viable option. And as we all know, The Church has taught such for 2,000 years. And yes, that particular teaching is Scripturally based.

But hey... it's easier to feel bad for those that have broken the laws of both The Church and this country when they are in an illegal alien status, Church Teaching be damned. But hey... it's easier to feel bad for some scumbag who kidnaps, sodomizes, rapes, sexually tortures, and eventually murders a little girl. Church Teaching be damned.

One of the most important things I learned in The Corps was that sometimes you have to put your personal feelings aside and do what you know is right. Even if it is Politically Incorrect and some just may brand you a heartless bastard. But that's what real leaders do... they lead, regardless of personal feelings.

13 Comments:

Blogger Radical Catholic Mom said...

Caveman, I used to be a Protestant and in my Protestant, I too, believed I was my own Pope. When the Pope and all of His Bishops begin to say that illegal immigration is a mortal sin, I too will believe that. Until then, I will be a Catholic and follow my Bishops whether I "personally" agree with it or not. Because unlike Protestantism, where you get to pick and choose what you want to believe or not, Catholicism doesn't permit that.

1:23 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

RCM,
Do you really need "the pope and all his bishops" to point out to you what mortal sin is? How sad.

I, however, don't. You see, I have the ability to not only read, but to also utilize common sense.

With that said, I've already pointed not only to Sacred Scripture (no lying, cheating, stealing... all that nasty stuff), but also to the CCC. If you look, you'll clearly see that all that Politically INcorrect stuff I said about nations having the RIGHT to enforce their own laws (especially concerning immigration), and also how immigrants are duty bound to obey the laws of their new country, are firmly in place in Catholic Teaching.

By the way, can you name just ONE bishop that's stated and sited official Catholic teaching (not just his personal opinion) that it's right and correct for individuals to violate both The 10 Commandemts and the CCC? Just one. Please?

You won't be able to. Know why? Because one doesn't exist. Certain liberals very well may call for a fast-track to citizenship.... but nary a one will ever come out and say that violating the 10 Commandments and the CCC are ever justifiable.

But you go right ahead and follow what you "think" certain bishops are calling for, even though you know deep down that their wrong. Because unlike Protestantism, where you get to pick and choose what you want to believe or not, Catholicism doesn't permit that.

But you just keep following those who you know are wrong.

4:45 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Oops, I almost forgot. Just to show how fair I can be, I invite you re-read the 10 Commandemnts (just the lying, cheating and stealing ones) and also to take a look at #2241 of the CCC (http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2241.htm).

Please take not of the following;

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption.

Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.


Now with all that said... please show me where I'm wrong when I stated that being an ILLEGAL alien is a mortal sin.

5:15 PM  
Blogger Radical Catholic Mom said...

VSC: I obey my Bishops and their teachings. You, however, sound, ummm, very independent in thought. I recommend a quick google search on the Catholic Church teachings on illegal immigration and the Bishops and Popes statements. You might want to focus on the Vatican's site. But as you have already pointed out, you don't need a Bishop or a Pope. Let's see, where I have heard that before? Oh yeah, the entire Protestant Revolution is littered with "free thinking" Christians. I don't deny many of them have a deep love for Christ, but they certainly are not Catholics.

Sir, you have a choice. Enter into obedience to your Bishop and Pope or be a cafeteria Catholic/Protestant. Get with the program. Because I think you desire to be a Catholic.

10:20 PM  
Blogger Al said...

Cavey,

It says the same thing in the Compendium of Catholic Social Teaching issued by the Vatican in 2005.

You & I have read the Catechism, I doubt if any of these so-called Catholic liberals have. Real Catholic social teaching is so far away from what these Liberals claim as the real Spirit of Vatican II is from the faux "Spirit" used to justify everything but what Vatican II really intended.

But, is that any surprize?

The Catholic Church's official teaching allows a country to limit immigration & calls on them to do all it can to enable them to assimilate into the culture of the country they have moved to. There goes multiculturalism as well.

1:36 AM  
Blogger Karin said...

I am sorry. But if you want to live in this country do what the rest of us hve done; come here legally!
I understand that people want a "better" life for themselves or their families, but do it the right way, the legal way.
I as a greencard holder, who has come to this country legally, married and is raising dual citizenship kids, can do it, as do many others.

6:26 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

RCM,
Typical of Roman Protestants when you stated "But as you have already pointed out, you don't need a Bishop or a Pope". Akllow me to refresh you memory.

I stated "really need "the pope and all his bishops" to point out to you what mortal sin is". Quite a bit different, huh? But I guess I shouldn't be suprised. Protestants have been taking things out of context for hundreds of years.

But anyhow... your ducking and dodging is really quite comical. I gave specific references, as did Al when he cited "The Compendium of Catholic Social Teaching" issued by the Vatican in 2005, and Karin also described her experiences in obeying (emphasis on OBEYING) the law.

So with all that said, along with you foray into a false obedience to what you "think" the bishops are saying, I ask of you... yet again... can you name just ONE bishop that's stated and sited official Catholic teaching (not just his personal opinion) that it's right and correct for individuals to violate both The 10 Commandemts and the CCC? Just one. Please?

I eagerly await your response.

7:57 AM  
Blogger Radical Catholic Mom said...

VSC: Where in the Compendium and in ANY of your "sources" does it say illegal immigration is a "mortal sin?" You won't find it.

You show me. I will completely back down. Until then, I will choose the US Bishops' interpretation over YOUR interpretation ANY day. And I know that will bug you to pieces.

11:51 AM  
Blogger Karin said...

Look at what Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver has to say about ilegal immigration...

" CHARLES CHAPUT: You're right. People do -- one of the issues that's raised at the beginnings of these discussions is these people who come here illegally have broken the law, and that's not appropriate.

And, of course, the church agrees with them: Breaking the law is never appropriate. And being an illegal alien is not good for the person who breaks the law, nor is it good for our country. It's a dangerous way to live. And to have a group in our society that isn't legal undermines the common good, too.

So the church is not in favor of illegal immigration. The church is not in favor of breaking the law.
The church is in favor of changing the law so that they work, they make sense, and that they serve the common good and everyone's dignity."

4:48 PM  
Blogger Alli said...

Out of curiosity, are there any Church teachings about illegal immigrants who seek sanctuary because of, say, Castro, or religious persecution?

I've always said that Cuban immigrants (and the like) are the only sort of immigrants that I could tolerate coming here illegally - of course, it certainly does help if they attempt to become citizens thereafter...

6:01 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

RCM,
You still fail to answer my painfully simple question, don't you?

As far as my "questionable sources" are concerned... haven't I already pointed to a lil' something called The 10 Commandemnts? I couldn't help but notice you blew that off. No snappy comebacks?

I went a step further and gave a specific straight from the CCC. Yet again, you blew that off. No snappy comebacks?

Now you expect me to do your homework for you and research the Compendium. Why should I even waste my time on that? You'll just ignore that as well.

And to further illustrate your arrogance, you have the audacity to state "You show me. I will completely back down."

My dear, I already HAVE shown you. But I guess The Holy Bible and the CCC aren't good enough for you.

In all honesty, you really do need to cease playing this silly little game of yours. After all... Because unlike Protestantism, where you get to pick and choose what you want to believe or not, Catholicism doesn't permit that.

I pray for your conversion to Catholicism.

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Karin,
EXCELLENT post!
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Alli,
American immigration law concerning the Cubans (and everybody else trying to come here) falls right in line with #2241 of the Catechism; Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions. In other words, nations most certainly do have the right to establish immigration laws. No matter what Radical Catholic Mom says.

But seeing that you've brought up the Cubans... American law has stated (since Castro took over) that any Cuban fleeing his native land, who can set foot on American soil, will automatically be granted (legal) refugee status.

One thing to keep in mind, as well... America has allowed in more legal immigrants than the rest of the world combined. And many of them were categorized as oppressed political refugees seeking asylum.

That's what the "America Bashers" seem to forget.

6:32 PM  
Blogger Al said...

Given that paragraph 2241 of the Catechism is found in the section on the 10 Commandments, I'd tend to say that ongoing breaking of immigration laws does fit what I was taught about what makes up mortal sin.

In response to the question: Where in the Compendium and in ANY of your "sources" does it say illegal immigration is a "mortal sin?" Where does it (Compendium or Catechism) say many of the things that ARE mortal sin are mortal sin? It rarely does specifically say so. Yet, we know that things like adultery are because they are grave violations of the 10 Commandments.

As for the Social Compendium, the section I refered to quotes from the Catechism.

But, my biggest puzzlement is with RCM's comment about following what the Bishop says. "I will be a Catholic and follow my Bishops." So, if her Bishop says that Arianism is OK then she will follow him rather than the official teachings of the Catholic Church that have declared Arianism a heresy.

Her problem seems to be that she prefers what 1 or more Bishops says even if it disagrees with what the Church actually teaches in its official publications like the Cathechism which was approved by the Pope before it could be published. An individual bishop is NVER infallible in what he teaches & it needs to be checked against the official teachings of the Church (Catechism, Compendiums, encyclicals etc.) Even a teaching document issued by the USCCB isn't considered authoratative (under Vatican directives) unless it was a) unanimously approved by all the Bishops at the USCCB meeting or b) is submited to the Vatican to get approval & gets it from the proper office.

Cavey, she goes on to accuse you ot not obeying the Pope.("Enter into obedience to your Bishop and Pope or be a cafeteria Catholic/Protestant.") As I pointed out earlier, the Pope approved of the Catechism. He also called it a sure guide for living the Catholic faith. You are using the Catechism in the way the Pope called on us to do. It seems to me that it is you (& me) that are obeying the Pope & following his teachings.

2:26 AM  
Blogger Karin said...

R.C.M.

I think you need to retake your CCD classes again...your Protestant side is showing a bit too much... :)

6:14 AM  

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