Real Presence... Isn't That What Santa Claus Brings Every Christmas?
Oops, I meant to say "X-Mas"
I honestly don't know what I should be more disgusted with... the absolutely asinine suggestion by the Dutch Dominicans for a "Priestless Eucharist", or the wimpy (and outright cowardly) so-called rebuke from the alleged Dominican leadership.
To say that the Dominicans in Holland have lost it, would be a gross understatement.
Dutch Dominicans rebuked for proposing priestless Eucharist
Rome, Sep. 18, 2007 (CWNews.com) - The worldwide leaders of the Dominican order have joined with a prelate in the Netherlands to criticize a pamphlet distributed by Dutch Dominicans, suggesting that lay Catholics should lead Eucharistic celebrations.
The controversial 38-page pamphlet was circulated by Dutch Dominicans in August to the country's 1,300 Catholic parishes. The tract argued that in the absence of a priest, lay ministers could confect the Eucharist. "Whether they are women or men, homosexual or heterosexual, married or single, makes no difference," the pamphlet said. "What is important is the infectious attitude of faith."
Bishop Hubertus Ernst, the retired head of the Breda diocese, saw the pamphlet-- which had been approved by leaders of the Dominican order in the Netherlands-- as "ambiguous" and "erroneous" in its understanding of priestly ministry.
From Rome, leaders of the Dominican order said that the pamphlet did not offer a realistic response to the shortage of priests. While applauding the concern for that shortage, the Roman leaders said that "this concern must be responded to in a careful theological and pastoral reflection."
"this concern must be responded to in a careful theological and pastoral reflection." WHAT!!?? "careful theological and pastoral reflection" my dyin' ass!! It's obvious that the Dominicans in Holland don't believe in The Real Presence, and the Dominican leadership is too damned gutless to even defend Christ physically among us in The Eucharist.
By the way... no one just "drops off" pampheltes at 1,300 parishes without the authorization from someone rather high on the food chain. Just a thought.
Unless Rome comes down, and comes down hard, the only winners here will be satan and his evil minions, luther, calvin, and the rest of the ecclesiastical pimps.
Oops, I meant to say "X-Mas"
I honestly don't know what I should be more disgusted with... the absolutely asinine suggestion by the Dutch Dominicans for a "Priestless Eucharist", or the wimpy (and outright cowardly) so-called rebuke from the alleged Dominican leadership.
To say that the Dominicans in Holland have lost it, would be a gross understatement.
Dutch Dominicans rebuked for proposing priestless Eucharist
Rome, Sep. 18, 2007 (CWNews.com) - The worldwide leaders of the Dominican order have joined with a prelate in the Netherlands to criticize a pamphlet distributed by Dutch Dominicans, suggesting that lay Catholics should lead Eucharistic celebrations.
The controversial 38-page pamphlet was circulated by Dutch Dominicans in August to the country's 1,300 Catholic parishes. The tract argued that in the absence of a priest, lay ministers could confect the Eucharist. "Whether they are women or men, homosexual or heterosexual, married or single, makes no difference," the pamphlet said. "What is important is the infectious attitude of faith."
Bishop Hubertus Ernst, the retired head of the Breda diocese, saw the pamphlet-- which had been approved by leaders of the Dominican order in the Netherlands-- as "ambiguous" and "erroneous" in its understanding of priestly ministry.
From Rome, leaders of the Dominican order said that the pamphlet did not offer a realistic response to the shortage of priests. While applauding the concern for that shortage, the Roman leaders said that "this concern must be responded to in a careful theological and pastoral reflection."
"this concern must be responded to in a careful theological and pastoral reflection." WHAT!!?? "careful theological and pastoral reflection" my dyin' ass!! It's obvious that the Dominicans in Holland don't believe in The Real Presence, and the Dominican leadership is too damned gutless to even defend Christ physically among us in The Eucharist.
By the way... no one just "drops off" pampheltes at 1,300 parishes without the authorization from someone rather high on the food chain. Just a thought.
Unless Rome comes down, and comes down hard, the only winners here will be satan and his evil minions, luther, calvin, and the rest of the ecclesiastical pimps.
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
4:11 PM
5 Comments:
Yikes.
At first glance this sounds like a "communion service," which is all well, good, and novus ordo... But I'm really not sure whatever could make these people think that the Eucharist can be ... I guess transubstantiated is a good word here... without a priest.
I think something was missing from their CCD classes...
Silly Dutch people.
The key phrase heris "Dutch Dominicans". The Catholic faith has had problems in Holland for hundreds of years. The Old Catholic Schism got it's Orders from the See of Utrecht, which some how was given the authority to do independant Episcopal consecrations in the late middle ages and just kept doing it, being essentially seperate from Rome.
Schillerbeex (sp) was Dutch.
Holland, it seems, is so open minded that their brains fell out.
I also want to add, that I worked with Dutch Marines (troops for overseas and colonial service--NOT REAL MARINES) during a peace keeping tour in the Sinai--they had a union! They would show up in flip flops for guard duty, wanted to carry 9mm Uzi's (lighter, you see) in an enviroment with 1000 Meter shots, and one had to be sent home for sodomizing a goat they kept as a mascot in the compound.
So, it's really just the fact their Dutch--If it's required or believed, they have to resist!
Alli, I think the word you're looking for is "consecrated"...and you're right, something was very missing from their CCD classes. I think it's called catechesis... :-p
And I have to say, the Dutch do take 'open-mindedness' to levels most folks have never even begun to think of.
"The tract argued that in the absence of a priest, lay ministers could confect the Eucharist. "Whether they are women or men, homosexual or heterosexual, married or single, makes no difference," the pamphlet said. "What is important is the infectious attitude of faith."
This whole paragrpah above is so totally wrong (for a mild word), I mean what are they thining?
Let me please say something here, as a Dominican. Firstly, yes, these men are an absolute disgrace to the Order of Preachers and to Saint Dominic himself. I am disgusted to acknowledge them as my brothers.
However, the response from Santa Sabina (the Dominican mother-house in Rome) is not surprising for its weakness. It is actually surprising that any statement was released at all - we Dominicans very rarely decry one another publicly, even when in obvious error, because of the potential for scandal. Of course, significant scandal has already been created but even further would be generated by public disputes. Do not doubt that the Master General has most definitely got involved privately.
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