'Catholic' Nun Calls Abortion ‘Essential’What kinda dope she been smokin'?
Hold on to your hat... "Sister" Maria Van Doren, nun in good standing with the Sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, has some rather, oh, shall I say... interesting things to say;
“It’s possible to give another theological explication to these issues in order to remove the sense of guilt from abortion, because it is not murder and it is not true that women who accept it have no conscience,” she said.
And as far as Sacred Scripture is concerned, the good sister said; “The [Bible] emphasizes that sexuality should not necessarily lead to procreation, and that having a family is not a divine mandate. The Bible with all its myths cannot give a theological argument. Women should have the right to decide about the fetus, without any absolute parameters”.
Yes, yes... I'm going to ruffle some feathers here, but I just have to ask, -- again -- what exactly was it that Archbishop Lefevbre (SSPX) was 'excommunicated' for? At worse, he was disobedient (which is not an excommunicable offense). Did he ever commit the heresy of referring to The Holy Bible as nothing more than a bunch of myths? Did he ever call for the wholesale butchering of children?
Other than above mentioned, you know what the real shame here is? Archbishop Lefevbre has to fight to clear his name... even after death. On the contrary, "Sister" Maria Josef Mengele will probably end up being honored by some "Catholic" organization which will be, of course, fully sanctioned by the US Council of Catholic Bishops.
I guess excommunication for this crazy "nun" is too much to ask for. That's saved for real threats to The Church... like that villan, Archbishop Lefevbre.
Oh by the way, remember how I said before that the Catholic News Agency is *insert sarcastic tone here* just a wee bit to the left of center? I couldn't help but notice how their headline on this particular story ran; "Pseudo-Catholic group says right to abortion ‘essential’ for women". Ummm... CNA, there is absolutely nothing... I say again, NOTHING that's "Catholic" about these women in any way, shape or form. Nothing pseudo, nothing quasi, nothing somewhat. These individuals are by their very nature not only non-Catholic, but anti-Catholic. Dear Catholic News Agency, please refrain for giving them even the slightest hint of credibility.
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
11:35 AM
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"Archbishop Lefevbre has to fight to clear his name... even after death. On the contrary, "Sister" Maria Josef Mengele will probably end up being honored..."
I hear you there.
We have ultra-liberal IHM nuns here and they are, in my husband's words, "pretty friggin whacked". But, "Sister" Maria Van Doren is just evil.
Off the subject but speaking of nuns, I have to tell how cute my 3 year old daughter is. Every night she (Bridget) watches Mother Angelica say the rosary with her nuns. She informed us the other day that she's going to be a "nut with Mother Angunca", if they can find a seat for her.
So we're bad parents and won't correct the way she says 'nun' or 'Mother Angelica'. It's way too cute. We did tell her there would be a seat waiting for her, though.
Ok, thanks for reading that and then saying "oh how darling". :)
Has anything good come out of the IHM nuns sense the 70s? But cheer up one day Archbishop Lefevbre will be considered a prophet and not just by SSPXers.
Well Former Altar Boy stole my thunder on the habit score. The IHMs have a Mother house in Monroe, not far from where I grew up. Part of my horrific catechetical instruction when I was growing up was by IHMs.
They have a little chapel on the back 40 of their property. A friend and I refer to it as The Love Shack. It's where the hard core element go to pretend they're are priestesses or something. Lord knows an ordained priest has difficulty consecrating bread and wine into Christ all by himself.
I know one IHM, but she's a total outcast (as are a few others). She is far too conservative for the leadership of the order. The funny thing about that is, while she has preserved some old fashioned piety and reverence, she is politically liberal (not baby-killing liberal, but far from a Reagan type) and at ease with the VII Church.
Here are a but couple of things I've blogged about them in the past.
Reconcile yourself to God – Light a candle to a frog
Merry Earth Day!
Y'know, after thinking about it for a whole day, I still don't see the connection between this nun, who oughta be excommunicated but hasn't been, and Archbishop LeFevre, was warned that by the Vatican in advance that ordaining bishops over the Pope's objection was a schismatic act, and thereby opted to excommunicate himself.
If you're saying that it just ain't fair, surely, you're not just now figuring that out, are you?
But surely, the American church is due for a purge of its heretics and dissenters, from rectories, to seminaries, to chanceries, and monasteries too. Oremus...
Paul,
This goes far beyond a simple case of "this isn't fair".
Quite a few things that the mainstream Catholic media won't say...
1. Prior to the consecrations of the 4 SSPX bishops, Abp Lefevbre made it abundantly clear that we was going ahead with said consecrations, in spite of Rome's objections, because he was invoking Canon Law, specifically #1323. In essence, even though the pope was against it, Abp Lefevbre waived his arms above his head and yelled "hey guys!!! I'm citing Canon Law, here! I'm playing by the rules!!!"
2. The invocation of 1323 was due to the fear on the part of Abp Lefevbre that traditional Catholicism was on it's deathbed and souls were in danger. No doubt, I know you'll research this, Paul. And you'll find that even if one is in the wrong, there is NO EXCOMMUNICATION under the circumstances of Abp Lefevbre.
3. Abp Lefevbre, when informed of the so-called "excommunication" demanded a Canonical trial, as was his right under Canon Law. Get ready for this... he was refused his day in court. I for one, find that suspicious. But anyhow, it's rare, indeed to have an excommunicated cleric (especially an Archbishop) denied his Canonical rights, don't you think?
4. In light of the recent statements by Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, don't you get the impression that Abp Lefevbre is about to be vindicated... and he was right all along?
1. I know about this, but it's my understanding that Pope John Paul II, as Supreme Pontiff, and in this case as the original legislator of that particular edition of Canon Law, had the authority to definitively interpret Canon Law.
2. I am not competent to have an opinion of my own on this. It's my undertanding that the Pope and the Prefect of the CDF (who is now Pope) both said that there was an excommunication. I'm disinclined to claim the expertise or authority to contradict them.
3. I have no idea how often it is that someone, Archbishop or otherwise, requests a Canonical trial and is refused.
4. I try to avoid placing too much importance on statements by individual Cardinals, whether I agree with them or not. I've observed that you can find a Cardinal to say virtually anything at all, and emotional roller coasters aren't my thing. That said, it would please me immensely if the status of the SSPX could be regularized and its status as a schismatic group brought to an end. I would personally be surprised, but not distressed, to see Archbishop LeFebvre's excommunication lifted. I'm waiting to see.
I have immense sympathy for the fears that Archbishop LeFebvre was suffering about the future of the Church, but I get the impression that he didn't trust the Holy Spirit to see it through, and felt that it was all up to him, even if that meant crossing a line which the Pope had labelled "schism". I can't imagine what would impell me across such a line. Historically, I think for most who have done so, it was ego driving them, and I can't say that wasn't the case with LeFebvre.
In the event, the Tridentine Mass has been preserved in the Church without reference to the SSPX; I attended an indult mass today. Without the kids, it was one of the most profound religious experiences I've had this year.
Excellent points you raise, Paul. I think we agree more than we disagree.
But I honestly do believe that one doesn't require a degree in Canon Law to see a frame up. I guess you're just looking at this from a different place than I.
In the meantime, you can still sit at the cool (cave)kids table at lunchtime.
Perhaps not a degree, but at least an interest. All I know about Canon Law is what people have told me about it.
Thanks for the invite!
Dymphna--something good DID come from the IHM's--they sold their palazzo near Santa Barbara and I was able to attend Roger Wagner's last choral seminar in the place after they sold it...!!
Secondly: There's something else that this wretched "nun" will get: tens of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from Call to Action, We Are Church, and (probably) some damn fool parishes...
It's so sad to see IHM sisters say things like this. I got an excellent orthodox education from the IHMs in the '80's. I just hope that sisters like Sr. Maria are the minority. *sigh*
mamagiglio (I always want to say mamagigolo-which doesn't make sense but still makes me grin),
The Pennsylvania IHMs aren't as bad as the others. No that they are infected with some earth-friendly feministas, but from everything I've heard and read they're not as bad.
However, if I remember right, they have been getting involved in some activities with the Monroe IHMs and a couple of other whack-job orders.
If you go to the IHM Monroe website you'll get an idea of what they have become. It's not about God, or even teaching anymore. It's about driving a socialist political agenda and earth worship. On this page is a picture of the "Love Shack" I referred to earlier, if you zoom in on the image you may be able to make out the words on the bottom which read "NUCLEAR FREE ZONE".
Thats right; leave your intercontinental ballistic missals at home when you visit the IHMs, and don't even think about driving your nuclear powered car on their driveway - they may not be sticklers for rules when it comes to the teachings of the Church or liturgies, but they draw the line at the atom.
Scandalous really.
Just remember that IHM stands for "I Hate Men"
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