Is Anyone In Hell? Is Anyone In Purgatory?
No one from The Cape Fear Deanery... that's for damn sure
More interesting news from St. Mary's Roman Protestant Community. Here's some of the rather interesting preaching from the November 2d sermon of Father "Bob"; (Emphasis mine)Today the Catholic Church celebrates the Feast of All Souls’ Day, a day when we remember those who have gone before us to the other side of life. This feast day can accomplish many things.
...it reminds us that there is a possibility that some people, instead of going directly to heaven upon death, must stop for some kind of purification of their souls, much like impurities are removed from gold. The Church says this process is a possibility, though it has never held that there is any person in this pre-heaven state. Likewise, the Church has never declared that there is a human soul in hell. But just in case there are humans in the pre-heaven state, we are reminded on the Feast of All Souls’ Day to pray to God to bring them to heaven. Hmmm... so why does the Catechism of the Catholic Church teach the following?; 1031 - The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire
1035 - The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire." Any why did St. Paul declare the following?; Philippians 2:12 - "...with fear and trembling work out your salvation." Ummm... if no one's going to either Hell or Purgatory, why even bother being in a state of fear or even trembling? Silly St. Paul. He should listen to Father "Bob".
And speaking of silly... who in the world made these ridiculous statements?Matthew 23:33 - "You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?"
Matthew 13:42 - "And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
No one from The Cape Fear Deanery... that's for damn sure
More interesting news from St. Mary's Roman Protestant Community. Here's some of the rather interesting preaching from the November 2d sermon of Father "Bob"; (Emphasis mine)
...it reminds us that there is a possibility that some people, instead of going directly to heaven upon death, must stop for some kind of purification of their souls, much like impurities are removed from gold. The Church says this process is a possibility, though it has never held that there is any person in this pre-heaven state. Likewise, the Church has never declared that there is a human soul in hell. But just in case there are humans in the pre-heaven state, we are reminded on the Feast of All Souls’ Day to pray to God to bring them to heaven.
1035 - The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."
And speaking of silly... who in the world made these ridiculous statements?
Matthew 13:42 - "And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
11:19 AM
10 Comments:
The Church most certainly teaches that there is a Hell, and that a person of even moderate imprudence can discover he's chosen it as his final destination.
But the Church, being non-judgemental (in the TRUE sense of the phrase), refuses to name the names of merely human people who may have done so. After all, God's mercy goes on forever to everyone who accepts it, and she really can't be sure just who, by whatever miracles He may work in their hearts, has not.
Talk about twisting the truth. The Church has never definitively pronounced the damnation of any particular person, or the sojourn of any particular person in Purgatory; but we're obliged to believe in them both, and we are taught that people do go there. The Church has not definitively declared even Judas Iscariot to be in Hell, but you have to admit, the outlook for him is pretty poor, especially in view of the fact that Jesus said of him that it would be better for him had he never been born.
There is nothing more horrible to contemplate than a soul in Hell, for all eternity, with no reprieve and no hope. But I'm afraid Hell is full of people who didn't think there was a Hell.
Perhaps the Aztec decorations or sniffing the marigolds distracted their feeble brains. It is a church doctrine that Hell exsists--what a sick sermon!!!
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Hmmm... no Hell or Purgatory, an Altar cluttered with toys, booze, bread with 'good luck' bones and guitar playing, cigarette smoking, cross dressing skeletons? Gee Wilmington Catholics, why are you leaving in droves for the Port City Mega-church and their big screen TV's, when we have Father Bob's own version of Pee-Wee's Playhouse right here in our own deanery? All of this, right there next to the Blessed Sacrament! I've gotta wonder what Father Bob's feelings on the True Presence is. On second thought, maybe I don't want to know...
Another thing, what the heck are all of these references to us being 'Catholic Christians'? Does anyone here call their children their 'male sons' or 'female daughters'? That is something that has always made me cringe from the first time I saw it to pitch St. Marks school. I figured that it was to promote to non-catholics, but I guess at St. Mary's it is to remind the parishioners that they aren't really Aztec Pagans, despite the fact that they treat their Altar for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass like they are.
Reminds me of the joke about the Jesuit who argues that while there's biblical evidence of hell, there isn't any that there's actually anyone there. Oh, wait...this guy wasn't kidding.
The sad state of our seminaries scares me. Particularly when I think we still call the guy at the bottom of the class "Father."
More of the same old touchy feely I am not surprised at all. This is totally Protty, they always say that a person who dies is in a better place now. More teaching in opposition to the Church. Hopefully with the Bishops awakening around the country they will help us correct the purposeful misleading of the faithful.
I always found the concept of Purgatory comforting.
To clarify, I'm assuming that the comments about bones, alcohol, etc up on the altar was some kind of hare-brained idea about cultural sensitivity vis a vis the Day of the Dead?
Why is it that the most gorgeous church in Wilmington, that with hardly any work could be configured to the Latin Mass, is mired in heresy?
Perhaps we should also start putting eviscerated human hearts on the altar. After all, isn't that part of Aztec culture?
To not believe in Hell is a sure means of getting there. But to think and meditate on the Four last things (when was the last time you heard a sermon about this) is a way ti avoid going there.
Hell, Purgatory and Heaven do exist. To say that they do not is to call Jesus himself a liar. How many times has Jesus warned us to avoid the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth?
Sometimes these priests really really need to have their heads examined.
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