Friday, November 10, 2006

Why Do They Hate It So Much?
PLEASE read this post!

I know that the vast majority of you folks reading this post have never attended a Traditional Latin Mass. I also realize that for most of you, a TLM is quite a long drive away, if available at all. And for even more of you, the past few decades have been a diet of "everything before Vatican II is outdated, unenlightened, and down-right superstitious".

OK... with all that aside, the blogging team over at Rorate Caeli have done a first rate job posting info concerning the absolute melt-down by the French Bishops (and to a lesser extent, the Americans) concerning the possible freeing of the Traditional Latin Mass.

Just to give you an idea, here's a news article I found by just typing "Latin Mass American Bishops" on a search engine. I found a perfect example of what the American's clerics attitude is towards the TLM;

Rev. Michael Driscoll, pastor of St. Jude Catholic Church in Boca Raton and director of liturgy for the diocese. "I think to some people it's nostalgic. But some want to go back to the past. They're beating their heads against the wall"

Ladies and gentlemen... that's called "scorn and ridicule". But why?

Why, indeed. I've come to the conclusion that they either hate, or are afraid of the Latin Mass.

Now comes the time I have to ask you, the reader, to consider this...

What is it exactly that makes these individuals hate and/or be afraid of the Tridentine Mass? Could it be because by it's very nature, it rejects ecumenism? Could it be because by it's very nature, it rejects the heresy of Modernism? Could it be because by it's very nature, it rejects the heresy of Protestantism?

I think I know the reason why... it's waaaaaay too Catholic for 'em. And they reject Traditional Catholicism because they actually adhere to what? (see above paragraph for the obvious answer)

15 Comments:

Blogger Paul, just this guy, you know? said...

I'll give you that point. But given that, if so many in the church are so afraid of it, how will it do so much good if it is "freed"?

7:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good article. I agree. there seems to be this venomous demonic hatred of the Traditional Latin Mass because it is Catholic. I notice it especially by the 50-60y.o crowd who love guitars, drums and the banal music.


BTW - I am 36 and have been attending it here for 3 years in the Philadelphia Archdiocese at first St. Francis in Norristown and now Our Lady of Mt. Carmel on the other side of town.
I keep praying that the pope will allow usage by any priest at any time.

9:04 AM  
Blogger Christine said...

Don't forget the 'R' word...reverence.
They hate anything that is reverent.
Some Bishops don't like when people kneel....I guess it shows waaaay too much reverence and respect for our Lord.

9:40 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Paul,
I'm not trying to be glib... but possibly Catholics just might start acting (Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi) like Catholics.

9:49 AM  
Anonymous Ellen said...

I'm 55. I hate the bongoes crowd, I quit going to one Mass because of a lady and her tambourine. I would love a Latin Mass.

I think that some priests and bishops don't like it because there's no scope for them to perform. Kind of hard to wink at the crowd when your back is to them.

11:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If someone wants a reverent worship and still can't get to the TLM might I suggest that he attend any one of the Eastern Catholic Liturgies. Your Sunday obligation will be fulfilled by attending one of these Liturgies.

The Eastern Catholics are in full communion with the Roman Pontiff and have been persecuted for staying true to the Pope.

The Eastern Catholics are a very small minority, they make up about 3% of all Catholics put together.

But the worship has not undergone a modernization, most use the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. There is still incense, bells, chanting, etc...

The style is different so don't expect them to kneel, but they do bow and prostrate themselves.

Until the Holy Father gives permission world wide for the TLM, you might want to try one of the Eastern Catholic Churches (which are in full communion with the Roman Pontiff) for some reverence. Just don't expect them to Latinize, they have their own worship styles and traditions.

12:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whoops, that last comment was mine.

Dr. Eric

12:44 PM  
Blogger Angry Orthodox said...

Go East young man, go East. I might add that in the Eastern Liturgy you're SUPPOSED to stand because you line up single file and the priest or deacon (no "extraordinary layministers") gives the Lord to you on a spoon, bread and wine at once.

I've been taught and read that it's due to the cultural differences going back to the East and West Roman empires. In Rome for some reason they knelt vis-a-vis the Emporer whereas in New Rome (Constantinople) you stood.

Inquisitor Generalis showed me some clips on youtube of the Sarum rite and Ambrosian rite, both far superior to the "come as you are" bongos and guitars clown masses. In each instance: TLM, Sarum, Ambrosian, Byzantine, they all have reverence, adoration and people reaching up to God instead of bringing him down to our level.

It's a shame one has to go to the Uniates, drive hours to an indult chapel or into schism to be a Trad Christian.

IMHO they hate it because they're heretical satanic dogs of whores and want to turn the church into the episcopal coven.

2:29 PM  
Anonymous Chad said...

I'd love to ask my pastor to give it a shot once the "universal indult"--IF the "universal indult"--comes about. But, I'm sure the answer would be a resounding "NO!". If the reason behind said denial were anything other than "I don't know any Latin," it speaks to the truth of what you say.

By the way, I've changed my tune about the TLM, after much reflection, as you can see from my blog.

6:29 PM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

AO,
Reverence is also found in the Maronite Rite, another Eastern Rite. They, also, receive Communion only from the priest or deacon while but it is by "tincture." The Sacred Body is dipped in the Precious Blood for each person -- thus Communion in the hand is NEVER an option.

7:04 PM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

Vir,
Excellent post. Why do they hate us? Because these alleged Catholics are the same people who were the revolutionaries and "Question Authority" freaks of the '60s who have now taken over the Democratic Party and won't be happy until they tear down every vestige of truth and morality in this country, whether it is the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts, the institution of marriage, the public school system, you name it.

To every cave visitor: if you want to understand what and why these people are like that, you need to read Robert Bork's excellent book, "Slouching Towards Gomorrah."

7:10 PM  
Blogger bocephus431 said...

They hate it because they know it will undo there years of hard work with the heretical/relativist experiment. For them it's the me generation, which translates to us in the plural, not about God. They believe they are Gods frankly.

And while the points about the reverence of the Eastern Rites are more than true, I would not be so quick to encourage people attending them. I have deep respect and admiration for our Easter Rite bretren, and the beauty of the Sacred Liturgy, but in my opinion it is for those raised in it, or those that convert into it from protestantism, etc. But if you were confirmed in the Latin Rite, you need to hang tough. It's like marriage. The liturgy was once, healthy and beautiful. Now it's not so beautiful or healthy. This is not the time to run off and have an affair with exotic beauty down the street. Nothing against the exotic beauty, but it's time to reclaim and heal the Latin Rite!

10:29 PM  
Blogger Gaufridus said...

Why, indeed. I've come to the conclusion that they either hate, or are afraid of the Latin Mass.

Now comes the time I have to ask you, the reader, to consider this...

What is it exactly that makes these individuals hate and/or be afraid of the Tridentine Mass? Could it be because by it's very nature, it rejects ecumenism? Could it be because by it's very nature, it rejects the heresy of Modernism? Could it be because by it's very nature, it rejects the heresy of Protestantism?



VSC,

Please, PLEASE, tell me that you're not just now figuring this out?

8:33 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

G,
Yeah... I just figured this out. You've known me how how many years?

6:13 AM  
Blogger Gaufridus said...

I'll take that as sarcasm.

Whew! You had me worried for a moment, there!

1:42 PM  

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