Monday, November 06, 2006

Has The Pope Been Punked-Out?
*Sigh* Well, at least I didn't let myself get TOO excited this time

To borrow from Winston Churchill, the supposed freeing of the Tridentine Mass is starting to look more and more like speculation wrapped in conjecture based on wishful thinking inside of rumor.

New Catholic over at Rorate Caeli has an excellent posting on the subject.

After the French bishops said in essence that a schism will happen if the Tridentine is freed (and the American bishops got queasy as well), we're getting much different music being played out of Rome.

Now we're hearing that all this talk of a world-wide indult is in reality, nothing more than "a suggestion by Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos...". Well, isn't that swell?

And Cardinal Ricard, speaking to the French bishops states; The Pope assured him that "the work and reflection are still to be done" and that not even the nature of the document had yet been defined. That is, the commotion of the French bishops was due to no more than a project of the Colombian Cardinal, considered as too favorable to the integrists, and to premature reports by the press.

'The Pope assured him", huh? Wonderful.

Is this nothing more than the Roman Protestants in France having their one, last gasp before the freeing of the Tridentine? Could be...

In the meantime, I'll have my snake bite kit close at hand.


Blogger Dymphna said...

First the rumor was that the Tridentine would be freed in November. It's the 6th and nothing has happened. I think we've all been had. I hope I'm wrong but...

1:57 PM  
Blogger Angry Orthodox said...

I'm not too surprised. Tradition seems to have no place in the Church.

6:41 PM  
Blogger Ginny said...

I hate to agree, but things sure don't look too good that is for sure. Duped again! This is my thought

7:39 PM  
Blogger Gaufridus said...

I cannot say that I am at all surprised that nothing has happened yet. What many people dont seem to understand is that the post-Conciliar "orientation" of the Church is diametrically opposed to Catholic tradition. They are two absolutely separate and distinct religions and philosophies.

They cannot be reconciled.

Those who understand this know that, humanly speaking, there can be no room made for Tradition, nor can there be an accord or normalisation of the so-called "irregular" situation of the Society of St. Pius X -- which comprises the majority of those who adhere to Catholic tradition -- WRT the mainstream of the Church.

I am careful to say "humanly speaking". The problem with the Church (i.e. its all-but-total abandonment of Catholic tradition) cannot, in my opinion, be solved by mere, mortal men. It will take a miracle. (Thank God our religion believes in miracles!)

We are Catholics and, as such, we must defend our Faith and pray for the Pope that the Holy Ghost will intervene and give the Holy Father the grace and the strength to do what is right.

We must also face the possibility that God Himself does not want Tradition to return to the mainstream of the Church... at least not at this time. Consider: Let us say that tomorrow -- nay, right this minute -- the Pope "frees" the traditional Catholic mass. (A logical impossibility, as it was never suppressed; but let us use the vulgar terminology for the sake of argument.)

Who will celebrate the traditional Catholic mass in the dioceses and parishes of the world? The mainstream, visible hierarchy? They are not trained to do so and most have absolutely no inclination to do so.

What will happen to all the girls who have, up until now, been taught to think that there is absolutely nothing wrong with them serving as "altar girls"? (That is to say nothing of female chior members.)

What will happen to all the female "extraordinary Eucharistic minister[ette]s"? Or the "lay readers"? Or the jazz bands? Or all the happy-clappy, grip-and-grinners?

Is someone going to suddenly show up to every diocese and parish with a truckload of mantillas? Traditional missals?

The facts are pretty bleak: the Church has, for almost five decades, dismantled Catholic tradition and erected in its place what I, with my limited mastery (?) of the English language, can only describe as some form of Protestantism.

How does the vast majority of the Church go back to tradition, humanly speaking? I just dont see it happening without Divine intervention.

12:22 PM  
Blogger 4HisChurch said...

Gaufridus, I have wondered the same thing. Even if the Holy Father declared a universl indult, I am afraid that precious few priests would be able or willing to say the Mass in Latin, and, precious few parishioners would have any idea what to do. I am actually afraid that if the indult were freed, it might spell the end of respectful tradition in Latin Masses because I can't see the general mass-going public following all the rubrics. It would take a huge crack-down on abuses--and, yes, a miracle from God.

2:33 PM  

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