Sunday, November 22, 2009

Waterboarding - Bad
Spike In Baby's Head - Good

Vir Speluncae Catholicus names names

I caught the tail-end of an interview with author Vince Flynn, where he was saying something along the lines of how many (if not all) of the members of the US Senate who voted against waterboarding, but in favor of "driving a spike into the head of an 8 month old fetus" as Flynn put it.

To simplify matters, I'll post who voted to outlaw Waterboarding, and what their pro-abortion NARAL rating is.

Akaka (D-HI) - 100%
Baucus (D-MT) - 100%
Bayh (D-IN) - 60%
Biden (D-DE) - 100%
Bingaman (D-NM) - 100%
Boxer (D-CA) - 100%
Brown (D-OH) - 100%
Byrd (D-WV) - 20%
Cantwell (D-WA) - 100%
Cardin (D-MD) - 100%
Carper (D-DE) - 100%
Casey (D-PA) - 0%
Collins (R-ME) - 100%
Conrad (D-ND) - 100%
Dodd (D-CT) - 100%
Dorgan (D-ND) - 100%
Durbin (D-IL) - 100%
Feingold (D-WI) - 100%
Feinstein (D-CA) - 100%
Hagel (R-NE) - 0%
Harkin (D-IA) - 100%
Inouye (D-HI) - 100%
Johnson (D-SD) - 20%
Kennedy (D-HELL) - 100%
Kerry (D-MA) - 100%
Klobuchar (D-MN) - 100%
Kohl (D-WI) - 100%
Landrieu (D-LA) - 20%
Lautenberg (D-NJ) - 100%
Leahy (D-VT) - 100%
Levin (D-MI) - 100%
Lincoln (D-AR) - 100%
Lugar (R-IN) - 0%
Menendez (D-NJ) - 100%
Mikulski (D-MD) - 100%
Murray (D-WA) - 100%
Nelson (D-FL) - 100%
Pryor (D-AR) - 60%
Reed (D-RI) - 100%
Reid (D-NV) - 20%
Rockefeller (D-WV) - 100%
Salazar (D-CO) - 60%
Sanders (I-VT) - 100%
Schumer (D-NY) - 100%
Smith (R-OR) - 0%
Snowe (R-ME) - 100%
Stabenow (D-MI) - 100%
Tester (D-MT) - 100%
Webb (D-VA) - 100%
Whitehouse (D-RI) - 100%
Wyden (D-OR) - 100%

Not Voting - 4
Clinton (D-NY) - 100%
Graham (R-SC) - 0%
McCaskill (D-MO) - 100%
Obama (D-IL) - 100%

I reiterate - the vast majority of those who voted to outlaw the procedure that made the mastermind of 9-11 just feeeeeeel like he was being drowned, also happen to have a 100% rating from the premier baby-butchery crew in this nation.

And the only way NARAL will rate you at 100%, is if you voted against the outlawing of spikes being jammed into the base of the skull of a baby that's 90% already outside the birth canal.


Blogger Al said...

Harkin (D-IA) - 100%
& a Catholic in Name Only that is, IMHO, Iowa's worst mistake of the last 20+ yrs.
Not sure that his Bishop (Des Moines) will follow suite. But he is new & unlike his predicessors Pates has been more vocal.

8:25 AM  
Blogger bilbannon said...

As to the Catholic pols on the list, Pope Benedict is author first and ruler last and the Church must wait until a Pope comes along who actually loves the rulership side of the job instead of the author side of the job (the Renaissance had those ruler Popes who wrote just about nothing but too often they were busy about war strategies within Italy over papal land versus other land)... and then that future Pope will do something about Catholic pols even if he has to change canon law fast ('s not the ten commandments and historically it's carried some errors for centuries because it was not changed fast enough,... like Gratian's take on usury).
Right now it (canon law) excommunicates automatically the girl in Topeka who has an abortion (and she does not know it...latae sententiae...(isn't that a drink in Starbuck's)) but right now canon law does not do a thing to Catholic pols who enable many abortions by how they vote. Benedict should be changing it just as John Paul changed pieces of canon law in the late 90's. Papal rulership rather than authorship has this drawback though: it chases off the groups Benedict sees as needing to come back to the Church. No group will be inclined to return to the Church if the Pope is actually poping in the ruler sense but they will come back if they see him mainly as author and sermon giver. So I think there is an ecumenical angle to the non ruler Pope syndrome. Would Anglicans be flooding into the Church if the Pope was primarily in the news as ruling and enforcing etc rather than authoring...whether books or documents? I don't think so. But this strategy of soft Poping is causing continued ambivalence on when Benedict was warm to Sarkosy or when he congradulated Obama on his election faster than protocol called for and twice in one week.
How could the Fr. Pavone's of the pro life groups have enjoyed that week after decades of fighting in the trenches? I need a drink from Starbuck's just thinking about this.

9:53 AM  
Blogger Arkanabar T'verrick Ilarsadin said...

Guilt by association, Cavey? You ought to know better than that.

My position on waterboarding & other enhanced interrogation techniques is informed by Mark Shea, to wit: the good Christian flees from sin. He does not argue that situational ethics require him to edge up to it, and then debate what does or does not cross the line into grave sin.

Seriously, what would St. Padre Pio do?

10:31 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Seriously, what would St. Padre Pio do?

Seriously, under the heading of Christian Charity, he very well may agree with "enhanced techniques". But we'll never know.

Long story short, St Pio's job was to save my soul. The CIA's job is to save me from having my head carved offed, me being blown into a million bits, me being flown into a skyscraper, etc, etc... and the same thinh from happening to my family.

Bring on the waterboarding, and God bless 'em for keeping our collective asses safe and warm.

BTW, we waterboard out own troops as part of SERE training, et al. Last time I checked, we don't "torture" our own troops.

3:25 PM  
Blogger JLS said...

I think a pope can can wave his arm and excommunicate all the Catholic abortion pols at once ... all he needs is the names. After all he is the guy who signs off on canon law. Look at it this way: Moses administered the Law and what kept happening? Dissent. But Jesus is greater than the Law and the Pope is the guy who feeds His sheep. He has the authority to starve some of them or leave them outside the flock for the wolves to eat.

12:38 AM  
Blogger bilbannon said...

Remember though, excommunication has a loving goal mixed in there which is to shock the offender by the fear of God so that he repents and comes back. The Pope is never to hope that wolves eat those who are excommunicated; he must hope that they repent and return. I just think the modern Popes have one eye also on the problem of the return of the Orthodox and Protestants to the Church and that return is less likely if the Pope is seen to rule manfully 24/7...but now we have the opposite extreme wherein the Popes seem to eager to leave everything to local bishops in the name of subsidiarity even when most local bishops do not act for years as in the Catholic pol area. I think they are too image conscious so much so that the death penalty reversal which they would call developement was really about image
with little substance to it such as the Pope citing any research he read on life sentences as opposed to the death penalty. It is sociolgy and the Pope simply declared on it as though it were theology without citing any studies in Evangelium Vitae. We were imaging for the liberal secular world and trying to impress them so that they would in turn do their own reversal on abortion and they never reciprocated in kind because imaging does not work and that is what we were doing.

8:33 AM  
Blogger Helen said...

Many of the names on the "pro-choice" list were "hippies" during the '60's, remember them calling the Vietnam-era troops "Baby-Killers"? With 50 Million babies killed in the womb since the passage of "Roe vs Wade" the true "Baby-Killers" are in the halls of Congress with their 100% "Planned Parenthood"& NARAL ratings.

This time the CIA has been attacked as the enemy for making an enemy combatant uncomfortable enough during questioning to admit to his terrorist plans. At least the CIA seems to take their responsibilty to protect the U.S. citizens from foreigh enemies seriously. Can't say the same for the "public servants" in Washington, DC. Some take more pride in their "titles" than they do their actual "service".

10:09 AM  
Blogger JLS said...

bilbannon, excellent clarification. Thanks.

10:37 PM  

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