They Just Don't Get It, Do They?
It's about a lot more than just the Latin language
I'll admit it... I've cruised into more than a few "Conservative Novus Ordo" sites. And at more than a few, they all gravitate towards the notion that the MP is essentially all about placating those that simply want the Traditional Latin Mass. Or as one blogger categorized us - "Latin Lovers".
Good Lord, it's so much deeper than that. Even The Holy Father stated as much in the Letter of Explanation. Example:
We all know that, in the movement led by Archbishop Lefebvre, fidelity to the old Missal became an external mark of identity; the reasons for the break which arose over this, however, were at a deeper level.
Did anyone else catch that? "...at a deeper level." The Holy Father understands exactly why the SSPX did what they did. And The Holy Father knows it's much more than just a love of Latin. A LOT more.
The Holy Father also stated;
This occurred above all because in many places celebrations were not faithful to the prescriptions of the new Missal, but the latter actually was understood as authorizing or even requiring creativity, which frequently led to deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear. I am speaking from experience, since I too lived through that period with all its hopes and its confusion. And I have seen how arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church.
Anyhow, as PreVatII (where ARE you!!??) and I discussed today, the language in that particular paragraph is unprecedented, and refreshingly frank, talk coming from a Pope. In fact... it's stunning. Look at how the Pope words it -- "celebrations were not faithful", "deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear", "I am speaking from experience", "arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church".
Or my personal favorite; "One has the impression that omissions on the part of the Church have had their share of blame for the fact that these divisions were able to harden."
When was the last time any of us even heard a pope speaking like that? Ladies and gents... this is a napalm run on the Dictatorship of Relativism. Roman Protestantism, you're days are numbered. Dare I say... what the Holy Father has just released is the biggest thing to happen to Catholicism since Vatican II.
Anyhow, as PreVatII also pointed out, the Holy Father has a wicked sense of humor. In the Holy Father's letter, check out the following (especially the last seven words in the last sentence);
In the second place, the fear was expressed in discussions about the awaited Motu Proprio, that the possibility of a wider use of the 1962 Missal would lead to disarray or even divisions within parish communities. This fear also strikes me as quite unfounded. The use of the old Missal presupposes a certain degree of liturgical formation and some knowledge of the Latin language; neither of these is found very often. [emphasis mine]
OUCH!!! Could it be that dumbed-down Roman Protestants and Father Moonbeam, Sister Mary Polyester and Bishop Limpwrist are directly in the Holy Father's sarcastic cross-hairs? Looks like it to me. Way to go Your Holiness!
Oh, and has anyone else noticed how some "Conservative Novus Ordo" sites are starting to sound like two-faced politicians who see the tide turning, now they're coming off as if they've been big proponents of the TLM all along. Mark my words, as soon as there's the slightest sign of trouble with this Motu proprio, they'll be the first to say "oh, I never thought the Latin Mass would work-out anyways".
It's about a lot more than just the Latin language
I'll admit it... I've cruised into more than a few "Conservative Novus Ordo" sites. And at more than a few, they all gravitate towards the notion that the MP is essentially all about placating those that simply want the Traditional Latin Mass. Or as one blogger categorized us - "Latin Lovers".
Good Lord, it's so much deeper than that. Even The Holy Father stated as much in the Letter of Explanation. Example:
We all know that, in the movement led by Archbishop Lefebvre, fidelity to the old Missal became an external mark of identity; the reasons for the break which arose over this, however, were at a deeper level.
Did anyone else catch that? "...at a deeper level." The Holy Father understands exactly why the SSPX did what they did. And The Holy Father knows it's much more than just a love of Latin. A LOT more.
The Holy Father also stated;
This occurred above all because in many places celebrations were not faithful to the prescriptions of the new Missal, but the latter actually was understood as authorizing or even requiring creativity, which frequently led to deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear. I am speaking from experience, since I too lived through that period with all its hopes and its confusion. And I have seen how arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church.
Anyhow, as PreVatII (where ARE you!!??) and I discussed today, the language in that particular paragraph is unprecedented, and refreshingly frank, talk coming from a Pope. In fact... it's stunning. Look at how the Pope words it -- "celebrations were not faithful", "deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear", "I am speaking from experience", "arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church".
Or my personal favorite; "One has the impression that omissions on the part of the Church have had their share of blame for the fact that these divisions were able to harden."
When was the last time any of us even heard a pope speaking like that? Ladies and gents... this is a napalm run on the Dictatorship of Relativism. Roman Protestantism, you're days are numbered. Dare I say... what the Holy Father has just released is the biggest thing to happen to Catholicism since Vatican II.
Anyhow, as PreVatII also pointed out, the Holy Father has a wicked sense of humor. In the Holy Father's letter, check out the following (especially the last seven words in the last sentence);
In the second place, the fear was expressed in discussions about the awaited Motu Proprio, that the possibility of a wider use of the 1962 Missal would lead to disarray or even divisions within parish communities. This fear also strikes me as quite unfounded. The use of the old Missal presupposes a certain degree of liturgical formation and some knowledge of the Latin language; neither of these is found very often. [emphasis mine]
OUCH!!! Could it be that dumbed-down Roman Protestants and Father Moonbeam, Sister Mary Polyester and Bishop Limpwrist are directly in the Holy Father's sarcastic cross-hairs? Looks like it to me. Way to go Your Holiness!
Oh, and has anyone else noticed how some "Conservative Novus Ordo" sites are starting to sound like two-faced politicians who see the tide turning, now they're coming off as if they've been big proponents of the TLM all along. Mark my words, as soon as there's the slightest sign of trouble with this Motu proprio, they'll be the first to say "oh, I never thought the Latin Mass would work-out anyways".
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
8:11 PM
8 Comments:
I noticed those words, too, buddy, and had a similar reaction: "My, but this is unusually frank of the Holy Father."
And just why is it that so many people (including me) lack the necessary language skills and "liturgical formation" to properly appreciate the old mass? Who was it that was supposed to be teaching these things?
It reminded me of when Reagan told Andropov, "let me tell you why we fear and mistrust you." Honest, but not diplomatic by any traditional definition of the word.
The Holy Father came across much like that today.
Heheheh... Cavey, check out the video Fr Tim got up ready for the release of the Motu Proprio... it is awesome!
Take it easy on those "conservative Catholics."
Not too long ago, many of us were what they are now. I was born in 1966. I was not born a trad or raised a trad. I arrived at being a trad because it was "the next good step" on the path (trajectory) that took me from being a pathetic american marginal catholic to a committed conservative Catholic.
Traditional Catholicism is where a search for Truth naturally leads.
If faithful, all the present "conservative Catholics" will be trads within 10 to 20 years. Have patience with them and pray for them. Don't look down your nose at them when they finally wake up to the fact that traditional Catholicism is "the next good step" in their effort to seek and embrace Truth, which is a Person, Jesus Christ.
While I have no problem with the Novus Ordo mass per se, I am pleased to see Rome calling for greater liturgical discipline, and a return to the original intent of the II Vatican council. Liturgical abuses have cropped up in a lot of places, and I pray that they will now be curbed.
And just why is it that so many people (including me) lack the necessary language skills and "liturgical formation" to properly appreciate the old mass? Who was it that was supposed to be teaching these things?
Paul,
You couldn't me more right. Just to clarify, I was speaking of those who clearly went out of their way to water-down and dumb-down Catholicism, and make us as Protestant-friendly as possible.
Kopp,
I have no beef with Conservative Catholics. With the Conservative Novus Ordo, I most certainly do.
For the Faithful who are still on their journey to realizing that Catholicism actually does go back 2,000 years, and they happen to be "in that place" (being a CNO), no problem.
But for those (and there are many) who adhere to the notion that the Mass of Paul VI is the end all to the liturgy, and that the Mass of Pius V is better left to the dust bin of history... it's those folks who I consider the CNO's.
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Arkanabar,
It's not that I view the New Mass as invalid or anything along those lines... it's just that I consider it liturgically weak and inferior to the TLM.
Also, by it's very nature, the New Mass is open for error, abuse and scandle. It's built-in! And people wonder why there are so many problems with the New Mass.
Please see: http://catholic-caveman.blogspot.com/2005/11/is-new-mass-itself-cause-of-all.html
These words struck me too...but are they so unusual for the Holy Father?
Perhaps a click here?
So does this mean the real Mass will be coming back soon????
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