Do Not Offend The Lord Our God Any Further
For He is already much offended
For He is already much offended
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One of these days, the Almighty is just going to say "ENOUGH!!".
You know, maybe... just maybe... the moslems are suppose to wipe out the vast majority of Christendom.
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
8:51 PM
9 Comments:
FD, I said a "majority"... not all. Remember Sacred Scripture tells of a 'Remnant Church'.
With what I see out of too, too many "Catholic" leaders, I wonder if we're already there.
It's an indication that we need to be especially vigilant, both outwardly, and interiorly, against sin. How long will the Lord withold His Wrath? Best to use this time to prepare ourselves, make sure our wedding garments are in order, and stock up on oil.
G,
Amen to that!
G,
I see you're point, but I think you are painting with too broad a brush, don't toss out the baby with the bathwater.
Yes traditionally Catholic nations like Italy and France have become shadows of their former self, but how do you come off saying Latin America and the Phillipines are no longer Catholic?
As for Europe, things aren't going well in Ireland but the birthrate their and Mass attendance are still high. There is noting wrong with Ireland that a shakeup of the hirearchy their won't fix.
Also last I heard things were doing alright in Portugal and Poland.
And don't forget the tiny Island nation of Malta, that may still be a legaly Catholic nation. In the EU each memeber state gets to design it's own Euro and Malta want's to put St. John the Baptist on theirs!
FD,
Perhaps I am painting with too wide a brush. I am inclinded to think that I am not.
Every state and nation in Europe -- with the exception of Albania, which is Mohammedan -- has a birthrate that is below replacement level. That equates to a dying Christian population.
They are dying because they have apostacised, i.e. they have abandoned the Catholic faith officially and practically. I am not talking about the "modified" Catholic faith of the post Vatican II era. Neo-Catholicism is really, sadly, Protestantism in all but name.
In the words of Hilaire Belloc: "Europe will return to the Faith or she will perish." It appears as if the Europeans in general have chosen "perish".
Now, rushing into the vacuum created by an aging and dying European Christian population are masses of third world peoples who are neither European ethnically or Catholic culturally. They are largely Mohammedan.
For instance, there are some estimates that France is 1/3 North African Muslim. Germany is about 1/4 Turkish Muslim. I dont know what the proportion of non-European, non-Christians is in Britain, but I do know Britain has a substantial Asian population (predominantly Indian Hindu and Chinese Buddhist).
That pattern is slowly spreading throughout Europe. The alarming thing about this trend is that since none of the European nations are officially Catholic -- i.e. that none of them defend the Faith explicitly and exclusively -- these non-European immigrants have absolutely no incentive to adopt European culture, which is at its roots Catholic.
Unless Europe returns to the Faith, it will be incapable of assimilating these people. It may already be too late.
I find this important because of another quote by Belloc: "The Faith is Europe. And Europe is the Faith."
Euro-centric? Probably. Bigotted? Perhaps. Offensive to some? I guess.
But, is it true? I think so.
You asked me "how do you come off saying Latin America and the Phillipines are no longer Catholic?"
Well, because these nations are no longer culturally European/Catholic. The Faith was installed on the aboriginal Mestizos by force, and they are slowly abandoning it as well.
I give you an example. I was in Peru two years ago on a training operation. At the end of it, we had some time off and got to go into Lima. Now, Lima boasts the oldest Catholic Cathedral in the Americas. So, being Catholic, I wanted to see it for myself.
The Cathedral (I think they call it the "National Cathedral") is absolutely beautiful. I mean, the main chapel portion has got to be at least four stories high with these massive pillars that look like something out of the High Middle Ages in Europe. The seats are all carven oak. The place looks like a picture perfect Catholic Cathedral.
Almost.
The thing is, the altar has a statue of the BVM holding the baby Jesus. There is no Crucifix. Our tour guide (1/2 Inca, 1/2 Spanish, according to her) explained to us that this is because they worship the Earth Goddess (I think they call her "Pac[h]a Mama") and the Sun God (I dont recall what they call him), and that they simply represent them with the BVM and the baby Jesus because they had no choice when they were conquered by Pizzaro.
She reported proudly that the "native" Peruvians (I guess she meant the Mestizos) are slowly reasserting their ancient ways under the guise of maintaining a Catholic Christian appearance.
On the same trip, we went ashore in the Dominican Republic, which claims to be "officially Catholic". I never followed up on that claim, but it appeared to me that Catholicism in the DomRep is more akin to Voodooism than anything else.
Does that mean that the Peruvians and all Latin Americans are all God-damned heretics? No. I'm sure there must be devout traditional Catholics left in Latin America just as there are anywhere else.
But, since Catholicism is/was the religion of their conquerors, why would they want to maintain it -- unaltered or not -- after their conquerors have departed?
As for the Phillipines, I've never been there. The closest I got was Okinawa. However, I would lay money on the fact that Catholicism in the Phillipines is just as bad as anywhere else. Worse, maybe. Afterall, what Catholicism do the Phillipinos practice?
The same question holds true for Malta. I have to admit that I think Malta looks promising to me. I think that Malta has the highest percentage of Catholics anywhere.
But, again, what Catholicism do they practice in Malta? Would we traditionalists recognise it as Catholic?
Believe me: I want to look at the positives. We have Our Lord's promise that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail over His Church. What we dont know is what He really meant by that; i.e., the details. He could've meant that we're going to get manhandled for the next few centuries or millenia, and that the number of the Faithful will dwindle everywhere until He returns.
I come back to VSC's original point and its implications. I think that the resurgence of the Mohammedans (particularly) may be necessary to rid the world of those who have apostacised and will not repent. Another quote by Belloc:
"...in the major thing of all, Religion, we have fallen back and Islam has in the main preserved its soul. Modern Europe and particularly western Europe has progressively lost its religion, and especially that united religious doctrine permeating the whole community, which unity gives spiritual strength to that community."
--Hilaire Belloc, The Crusades, p. 248
(As you can tell, I read a lot of Belloc! ;-)
I think it is pretty obvious that most Protestants (and Orthodox) are not likely to return to the Faith of their Fathers. That doesnt mean that we give up on them, but we also have to recognise reality for what it is: they are dying out and we are not.
Who, among "Christians" have large, in-tact, growing families? Is it the Protestants, Orthodox, or neo-Catholics that permit (in varying degrees) divorce, contraception, and homosexuality?
No. It us we who are growing -- because we repudiate these false doctrines as a matter of Faith -- while they are dying out.
The problem is that there might not be enough of us to maintain our hold on the reins of power in the West (i.e. on Christendom) long enough for a general restoration anytime soon. Which is why I am inclined to think that we'll recover, but only after a very, very long time and only if we maintain our cultural and ethnic integrity.
Well, end of rant for now.
Pax tecum
God know I've had some serious disagreements with G in the past, but in all fairness... ain't much I disagree with on his last post.
I'd say he SLAMMED the proverbial nail right on it's head
G,
I readily concede to the fact that you are much more well travelled, older, and wiser than, I on a lot of these maters, I am not trying to be argumentitive, I am just being (forcing myself to be?) optimistic about things.
Afterall the Church has had darker times in it's history and always bounced back. The Barbarian invaders that sacked and destroyed the Roman Empire were quickly "conquered" spiritually by the Roman Catholic Church for example.
At one time Muslim armies were deep into Spain and France but were driven back.
The "Reformation" wrecked terrible havoc on the Church but the Council of Trent strengthend it and missionaries won-back many of the lost territories in Europe and the new lands of the Americas.
"Neo-Catholicism is really, sadly, Protestantism in all but name."
I am not sure how you are using the term Neo-Catholicsm but if you mean it to include people like Pope BXVI it's hardly Protestant.
"For instance, there are some estimates that France is 1/3 North African Muslim."
As near as I can tell numbers like that are demographic estimates for year 2030, they aren't set in stone!
"Well, because these nations are no longer culturally European/Catholic."
Jesus wasn't culturaly European either. While Europe is the cradle of the faith as we know it and vital to our herritage, Europe needs the faith a lot more than the faith needs Europe.
"The Faith was installed on the aboriginal Mestizos by force, and they are slowly abandoning it as well."
-In some cases the Faith did come in by force but be careful you are sounding like a college professor chronicling the "crimes" of western civilization. Remember Our Lady of Guadalope, natives converted in droves, of their own free will! Also remember the French missionaries in Canada and the Midwest, they also converted many without threat of force.
I was bothered to read your account of your trip to the Cathedral in Peru, I can't belive a worker there was saying how she worshiped the sun God and mother Goddess. I have a feeling though that she may not reprsent the feelings of most Peruvians. In fact I bet the people in rural areas, the more by blood indians, are more orthdox than she. She was probably the big city, new-age, liberal type. A fellow I know once said that for all the talk of "liberation theology" in Latin America he never met anyone there who had even heard of it. I am so sick of a handful of anti-Church liberals within hte Church claiming to speak for all of us!
Any info I have on the Phillipines stops in the 1940's so I don't know the current state of afairs today, but I think you are implying that it can't be good because they accept Vatican II. I say however that if that country refused to accept Vatican II then it wouldn't be a good Catholic country.
Every single thing I have seen on Malta indicated that if there is one country in the world where things are going well it's there!
Oh and I know plenty of neo-Catholics with large familes!
I very much would like to see a return to the Latin Mass, good terms between SSPX and the Holy Father, and am upset about a lot of the Fallout of Vatican II, but we just need to stay the course and ride this one out.
FD, as with G, you have raised some excellent points. One thing I would like you to consider... in the past, when the Church was going through some rather rocky times, we always had a UNITED front. Be it against the Huns, Moslems, Vikings, Goths... whatever.
What we have today is a much spiritually weakened and fractured Church.
The Fruits of Inculturation?
FD,
I dont take your posts as argumentative. Actually, I appreciate a little bit of "positivity", if you will, because I just dont see that we're going to come out of the woods anytime soon, short of a miracle.
Yes, the Church did experience darker times in the past and bounced back. The era of the Arian heresy comes immediately to mind.
The destruction brought about by the era of the Reformation (read: Protestant Rebellion) has yet to be fully healed. Vast portions of Christendom are officially Protestant; the traditionally Catholic areas are no longer officially anything and their Catholic populaces are Neo-Catholic.
By "Neo-Catholicism" I am referring to the Faith as has been altered and corrupted by the Second Vatican Council.
Pope Benedict XVI -- then Cardinal Ratzinger -- appears to have a vested interest in doing nothing decisive about the problems. Either that, or he is being prohibited from doing anything decisive.
You see, here's the thing: Almost everyone (and by "everyone" I mean Catholics) admits that there are many problems in the Catholic Church. Paedophile priests, declining vocations, heretical female participation, &c.
No one wants to admit that the problem is Vatican 2. It's kind of like how Socialists and the Communists still think socialism was a good idea and would have worked... except it wasnt put into practice correctly, by the right people, and so on.
No. The problem isnt that Vatican 2 wasnt interpreted correctly. The problem is that the documents that came out of Vatican 2 -- alone among Catholic councils -- were deliberately ambiguous.
How could they have been otherwise? The whole point to Vatican 2 was to make Catholicism more acceptable and less offensive to Protestants and Jews!
Hello? WTF, over? Why should the Faith be watered down to accomodate the feelings of heretics and infidels? It is utterly opposed to logic, reason, and common sense.
Unless you're a Protestant or a Jew. Then it makes perfect sense.
Trust me: when I said "The Faith was installed on the aboriginal Mestizos by force, and they are slowly abandoning it as well", I was not cataloguing so-called "crimes" committed by White Europeans. I was simply recognising reality for what it is. The best thing that ever happened to the aboriginal people of the Americas was the coming of the European Christians who brought their religion and civilisation with them.
I dont know whether or not that Peruvian tour guide represented the majority of Peruvians. All I do know for certain is that there was no Crucifix at the altar of the Peruvian National Cathedral, but a statue of the BVM holding the Baby Jesus. You can slice it anyway you want: the bottom line is that at a minimum they were not focusing their religion (whatever it was) on Our Lord Jesus Christ.
WRT the Phillipines accepting Vatican 2... I'm not implying anything. I'll just go ahead and state it: if one accepts Vatican 2 -- at least as it is currently being interpreted and implemented, despite the fact that it was not a doctrinal council, didnt invoke any Papal infallibility and, therefore, didnt define anything officially -- then one is probably not practicing Catholicism.
Or, at least, the Catholicism of our ancestors. One would, however, be practicing the Catholicism of the Clown Mass, Communion in the hand from lay, female, "Eucharistic ministerettes", Indian dancing girls, &c.
No thank you. I'll take the Catholic Faith that our ancestors bled, suffered, and died for, rather than this weak, effeminate, touchy-feely, "I'm okay/you're okay/we're all okay", nobody is wrong, everybody is right, happy clappy, bleary-eyed, side-to-side rocking, candle-holding, grip-and-grin, "we are the world" neo-Protestantism foisted upon us by the so-called "Reforms" (there's that word again) that came about as a result of Vatican 2.
I, too, would very much like to see a general liberation of the Traditional Latin Mass, a restoration of the traditional Catholic Faith, and the normalisation of relations between the SSPX and Rome.
And I agree with you: we just need to ride it out. I, for one, hope traditional societies, priests, bishops, and laymen continue to adhere to tradition. If nothing else, we will eventually outnumber them someday! ;-)
Dominus tecum
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