Saturday, June 24, 2006

Mahoney And Brown Squeeze Out A Decision
...and a tightly curled, steamy decision it was

H/T to Cletus Huckleberry, The official blog of right-thinking Catholics in Northeast Florida

Illegal aliens have priority over innocent children in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and the Diocese of Orange, California.

The Roman Catholic dioceses of Los Angeles and Orange have backed away from pledges to prevent pedophiles from working with children by subjecting volunteers to fingerprint background checks, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.

Church leaders said they didn't want to lose illegal immigrant volunteers, who lack the legitimate government-issued photo IDs that are required for the checks.

As I've posted before, being an illegal alien is a mortal sin, and now we have 'Cardinal' Mahoney and 'Bishop' Brown being party to such.

Oh... and how many children are now at risk for RAPE due to the PC-worshipping Mahoney and Brown?

For some strange reason, the words "suffer the little children..." keep running through my mind. I also have the mental picture of angels fashioning two rather large millstones in the hereafter. Hmmm....

19 Comments:

Blogger Dymphna said...

What I want to know is just how many illegals are volunteering for anything? This seems like an easy way for the church to provide services to illegals without having to document it. I guess Mahoney likes paying out those huge settlements.

8:49 AM  
Blogger DigiHairshirt said...

Okay, let me offer my own crude pictograph and you can go visit my blog for additional comments.

I am a member of the Diocese of orange. You can rail against this decision regarding preferential treatment of illegals, but I think it's a gross misuse of logic to arbitrarily equate opting for an alternative background check = putting children at risk.

The people who are employed by the Diocese of Orange are fingerprinted and given background checks. I don't think the same has to be done for every friggin' volunteer in every parish. Case in point - I have been a member of St. Jospeh's parish for 11 years now. I volunteer as a catechist for Children's Liturgy. I take the children away from their parents, away from the church and to the parish hall, during Mass to have their Liturgy of the Word in simpler English. Do I need to be fingerprinted? Do I need a background check run? I have been a faithful parishioner and my reputation, I would like to think, makes that unnecessary.

We also have Liturgy of the Word en espanol, during the Spanish-language Masses. I don't know if the persons doing that have a legal status or not - but I do know they're the same people - as with many parishses - who volunteer all the time. Ever notice that? Parishioners are not really keen about lending their time, so it's always the same people who do everything. Do we need fingerprints for all of them? NO.

I know people don't like Tod brown. I don't either. But making this sound as if every child is at peril because illegal immigrant volunteers are checked via references is plain dumb. Go down and rail at your local AYSO team - chances are that parent handing out orange slices wasn't fingerprinted. Go down to Templo Calvario and see who is teaching Sunday school - chances are they're illegal and not fingerprinted. Your "room moms" and "room dads" who volunteer to chaperone kids on school outings aren't fingerprinted. And why - because they are working with kids, in public, in large groups, and they're already known to the larger group.

So pedohiles congregate where children are? No shit, Willy Sutton. But worry about volunteers who can get children into private situations, not a classroom full of RCIA kids.

Jesus, what are we doing when we can't trust fellow Catholics because of their immigrant status? I don't agree that they should be here illegally, but that doesn't mean they check their fidelity to Mother Church at the border.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

OK, just to ensure I have this correct... Mahoney and Brown both made a public promise to fingerprint all volunteers in an effort to ensure that no pedohiles came into contact with same, right? Right!

Then amazingly enough, the same two 'leaders' scratch said
public promise because those who broke the immigration laws of this country wouldn't be able to volunteer. How sad they all can't share in coffee and pan dulce after Mass. WHOOPS! Not so fast! Mahoney and Brown broke their public promise! Coffee and pan dulce all around.

So two 'leaders' in the So Cal area have yet again caved at the altar of PC? No shit, Rembert Weakland.

By the way, those "volunteers" most certainly can get children into private situations. That why the vow was made in the first place! But true to form, the vows of Mahoney and Brown amount to the same thing that dog was squeezing out.

By the way... those here illegally are still committing mortal sin. More than a couple of "Thou Shalt Not's" were pretty much shattered.

9:56 AM  
Blogger DigiHairshirt said...

Now put aside your dislike of Mahoney and brown, and answer my question - do you believe that parishioners who volunteer to work in ministries that involve children (managing and training altar servers, children's liturgy, RCIA) require fingerprints and background checks?

And if your answer is yes, tell me what ministries YOU do with children presently and whether anyone has checked up on you. Because you are just as suspect as Lupe from Zacatecas who helps out with her kids' Confirmation class, right?

12:09 PM  
Blogger DigiHairshirt said...

And what the hell does drinking cafe and pan dulce after Mass have anything to do with this?

12:11 PM  
Blogger Christine said...

there is a certain irony in saying

"we won't background check someone because they don't have photo id"

what the...?

isn't that all the more reason to check them?

2:38 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Do you just not get it? The main complaint I have about Mahoney and Brown is that they made a public promise, and then to worship at the altar of political correctness, they broke that vow. I repeatedly placed key words in italics to stress that point. I thought I made that exceedingly clear.


do you believe that parishioners who volunteer to work in ministries that involve children (managing and training altar servers, children's liturgy, RCIA) require fingerprints and background checks?


If I lived in a diocese where the molestation/rape of children crisis was that bad, then yes... absolutely. Especially if the bishop made a public promise to do such. Obviously, LA and OC fall into that category.


tell me what ministries YOU do with children presently and whether anyone has checked up on you.

Ahhh... now the ad hominem begins. Well, if you really want to play the "I'm a better Catholic than you because I'm in more ministries" game, then so be it.

First off, I have my Diocesan Catechitical Certification. From no less than two different diocese... no make that three (counting the Military Archdiocese). At no point in time in any of those diocese, did the bishop make a public vow to fingerprint volunteers, unlike the recent case in LA and OC. But nonetheless, there is certainly a difference between an established and well known member of a parish, and someone of dubious background. Specifically, someone who now ever so reluctant to provide a picture ID. Gee, I wonder why they are reluctant? Could it be because they have broken the law... and just possibly, they really are a rapist in their home country?


And what the hell does drinking cafe and pan dulce after Mass have anything to do with this?

You tell me. You're the one that waxed poetically about coffee and Pan Dulce in your posting on this subject. That's what the hell it has to do with it.


Now put aside your dislike of Mahoney and brown, and answer my question

Turnabout is fair play. Now it's your turn. I've already pointed out that illegals have violated not only more than one of the Ten Commandments, but also US Criminal Law. The Catechism of the Catholic Church clearly points out that a legitimate government has the right to control it's own immigration policies and laws. With that said, why do you so vehemently defend the absolute shattering of Sacred Scripture, the Catechism, and US law?

3:52 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Excellent point, Chris!

4:06 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

DIGI,
Also, when my wife volunteered full-time specifically for the Catholic School system in the Archdiocese of Washington, DC (in the mid-1990's) she was fingerprinted and back-ground checked.

That's right when the "priest" rape scandal reared it's ugly head. It was made very clear to my wife that if she declined to be FP'd or have a BGC, then she would no longer be a volunteer for the Archdiocese.

4:19 PM  
Blogger Screwtape said...

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6:18 PM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

Digi,
I trust that was a prayer and not using the Lord's name in vain in your 10:22 posting.
Samizdat,
Even with a small "g" I find your damn offensive.

Time to bring back Holy Name Societies?

10:12 PM  
Blogger Screwtape said...

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12:15 AM  
Blogger DigiHairshirt said...

FAB - my invocation of the name of Jesus in my 10:22 posting is between Him and me. He knows how I meant it.

12:47 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Yeah, we all know how you meant it.

7:55 AM  
Blogger Dymphna said...

There is a lovely woman in Virginia who's been teaching CCD in her parish for 30 years. When she was asked to get a background check and be fingerprinted she flatly refused and pointed out that it wasn't little old grannnies who were doing the molestation it was Fr. Been-dating-guys-since-the-seminary-and-everybody-knew-it-but-the-parishoners.

I hate the whole fingerprinting phenomenon. Mahoney made a big public deal out of how this would keep the kids safe but becaue illegals trump the kids he's backing out.

8:10 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Dyphm, my point EXACTLY!!

Thank you for that moment of clarity, D!

8:21 AM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

Enough! This is getting out of control.

I am entering this as referee! I am a Caveman Catholic, a friend of VIR's, and a contributor to his blog. I like Digi. We have the law and our Polish-Irish ancestry in common. I admire her spunk and her Photoshop holy cards.

We all have our love and loyalty to Holy Mother Church in common, which prompts us to encourage, exhort, and/or excoriate others thru the blogosphere.

"God is a God of peace and not disharmony." 1 Cor. 14:34

When we let disharmony into the Body of Christ we are playing into Satan's plan. Don't go there.

You both scored some points. VIR, I had to laugh at Digi using your Bravo Foxtrot Delta. Digi, I though VIR’s play on your pan dulce was great. You both succeeded in getting under each other skin. Was that what you wanted?

VIR, you have to admit Digi's ideas for protecting kids are worthwhile.

Digi, you have already agreed with VIR that Mahoney and Brown went back on the word to do background checks on all Church volunteers.

VIR thinks illegal aliens are in a state of mortal simply for coming here illegally. Digi thinks Catholic illegals should be able to teach and learn in the Catholic churches. Can you two agree to disagree on that and make up? Digi, you know the history of the law, VIR, you have a firm grasp on Church history. You both know there were times in when violators of the civil law could flee to any church and claim sanctuary. VIR, even though we don’t believe in amnesty for illegals, can you agree with Digi’s unstated premise that Catholics can be temporarily immune from the civil law while they attend Mass, receive the sacraments, and cathecize their kids?

Now I want you to offer a digital handshake for your respective brother/sister in Christ, return to your respective blogs (with full rights to continue visiting and commenting at each other’s), and continue doing the Lord’s work.

As self-appointed judge, I declare this fight over and none of us want to hear of it any more.
(PS This was posted at Digital Hairshirt as well.)

8:18 PM  
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12:06 AM  

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