Saturday, December 24, 2005

To My Fellow Blog-lodytes
You might be a Catholic Caveman, part deux

I've been going over some of the various responses I've gotten so far click here, and I gotta say; You guys are GOOD! Thought provoking and funny, just the way I want my blog to be.

I've also noticed a common thread. Just about every one attends the Mass of Paul VI (The Novus Ordo Mass)... and just about everyone in one way or another incorporates a traditional practice in one form or another.

I use to do the same thing as well until I started attending the Latin Mass. I realize that many of you cannot attend a Traditional Mass because, more than likely, there isn't even one close by. But until you have the opportunity to assist at one, what do you say about everyone taking from everyone else and bringing more traditional Catholic practices to our local parish?

The Holy Father has stated that he wants us to be more Eucharist centered... fine. Let's DO that then. You folks have given some great suggestions, throw in a few more! Here are some that I thought up;

1. Kneel for Holy Communion. After all, we believe the Eucharist to be the actual Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, right? If so, then how should we greet Jesus? On our knees in reverence, humilty and respect... or standing with a handshake... like equals?

2. Genuflect to the Tabernacle, not to an empty picnic table trying to pass itself off as an altar. If your parish has Christ hidden away in The Sacred Broom Closet, you have the responsibility to raise a stink! What was it that St. Mary Magdelen said? "They have taken My Lord and I do not know where they have hidden Him". If we Catholics are going to consider ourselves a Christ Centered Church, then doesn't it make sense to have Christ CENTERED in our churches?

3. Don't raise your hands during The Consecration. Only one doing any Consecratin' 'round here is the priest! And don't raise your hands during the Our Father either... you just look stupid doing that.

4. Don't drink from the chalice. It's redundant. Like I said before, we consider the consecrated bread to be the actual Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ. What... the Consecrated Host is somehow "less" without the Consecrated Blood? And besides, the laity drinking from the chalice is a Protestant practice dreamt up by Luther and the rest of his gang of Theological Thugs.

By the way, here is a link for a list of all Latin Mass parishes and chapels in the US and Canada. Be advised, you'll have to scroll down quite a bit before you get to the state by state listing.


Blogger A. Carlton Sallet said...

OK, I confess: I say And also with your spirit in lieu of "and also with you" in the various pieces of the Mass.

I never new why I did that, except that the Latin words in the novus ordo translate that way. It just sounds more like what I really mean to say - that the priest celebrant has a unique identity that I choose to recognize.

Always thought I was a bit silly, but who knows---it may catch on.

As for the drinking of the Precious Blood, this I actually like doing - receiving under both species seems somehow obedient to me:

Take this, all of you, and drink from it. This is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant; it will be shed for you, and for all (many?) that sins may be forgiven - Do this is memory of me.

That's this neophyte's two cents. Merry Christmas Caveman.

2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is the big deal with Latin?
As a child Mass was always in Latin and we studied Latin but I never really understood the Mass until it was said in English.
Maybe all physcians should speak to us in Latin since it was the language of science at one time.

3:28 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

What is the big deal with Latin?
As a child Mass was always in Latin and we studied Latin but I never really understood the Mass until it was said in English.
Maybe all physcians should speak to us in Latin since it was the language of science at one time.

I'm sooooo glad you asked about "the big deal" concerning Latin. Please go to for a greater explaination. But the long story short... Latin is a dead language (thank God). What's said in Latin is meant. It's set in stone... the words can't change, unlive the "live" languages of today.

Just look at the word "gay". A generation ago, that word meant happy. It now means something very different. With that said, I don't think we should be playing fast and loose with the Consecration. Remember, Clinton asked what the definition if "is" is. And people took him seriously.

The big deal with Latin, and Liturgical Latin at that? It's set in concrete. Absolutely zero possibility for error, unlike English, Japanese, Swahili, etc, etc.

As far as you never really understood the Mass until it was in English... I can't understand how. English was on the right hand side of the Missal. How could you NOT understand it?

4:20 PM  
Blogger ~m2~ said...

in your o.p., someone mentioned kneeling at the point of the creed: "by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became Man..."

would profound bow be an acceptable contribution from this cavewoman? as well as crossing myself at the epiklesis?

i would add more but i'm sensing and overabundance of testosterone so i shall leave and bid you ~peace~

12:26 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Sorry Chickie-Baby. I'm a Traditional kinda guy... the rubrics for the Latin Mass call for kneeling. Kneeling it shall be.

But in the meantime, good Catholic Cavewomen are welcome in here all the time!

1:25 PM  
Anonymous Former Altar Boy said...

Anonymous wants to know what the big deal is with Latin? He went to the traditional Mass as child and didn't know what was being said? How old was he at the time -four? So when the priest said "Dominus vobiscum" and he responded "Et cum spiritutuo", or "Sursum corda," "Habemus ad Dominum", he didn't know what it meant? Maybe he wasn't old enough to read. As Caveman Commander points out, that's why one page of the missal was in Latin and the facing page was in English (or the native language of the missal owner). More importantly, the huge benefit of Latin -- and the Tridentine liturgy -- is it is the same everywhere in the world! Talk about "One" Church! As long as you have your Latin-English missal, it doesn't make any difference where you attend the traditional Mass -- EVERY priest is saying the SAME thing in Boston, Tijuana, Saigon, wherever. Quite different than the Novus Ordo novelty Mass. One never knows what variation you might stumble into at at any given parish, er, faith community. The only thing most N.O. Masses have in common is there lack of reverence. Give me Latin anytime!

12:41 AM  

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