Wednesday, June 24, 2009

"Why Is The Catholic Church Going Back To The Dark Ages?"
Yes, some Catholics still ask that rather stupid question

H.E. Michael F. Burbidge, Diocese of Raleigh, NC (in choir). Father Paul M. Parkerson - Celebrant. Nicholas Aul - Master of Ceremonies.

I ran across the above question in one of the Catholic forums I frequent. Of course, the individual who posed the question was thrown aback that His Holiness had actually freed the Traditional Latin Mass.

"Back to the Dark Ages", 'eh? If that's the case -

If God should be the center of our lives instead of ourselves, I'll happily go back to the Dark Ages.

If our lives are guided by moral absolutes instead of the dictatorship of relativism, I'll happily go back to the Dark Ages.

If our priests are willing to defend Holy Mother The Church even unto death, I'll happily go back to the Dark Ages.

If we take our Catholicism seriously, I'll happily go back to the Dark Ages.


Blogger TCN said...

The Dark Ages was a term coined by the prots to make clear that the enlightenment was the best part of history. It is crap. The Middle Ages, or Medieval Era, was the greatest era of the Church, so of course the prots hate it.

Let's send this dolt back to the Dark Ages and see what he finds there.

11:37 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

I am soooo glad you brought that up! I too, am fed up with Prots (and the "Catholics" who defend them) coming down hard on The Church for 'how little the Catholic Church did during the Dark Ages' *insert whine here*.

Wasn't it during those centuries that they ref to as the Dark Ages, the same time frame that Catholicism was fighting for it's live against the Vikings, the Huns, The moslems, the Goths, the Mongols, the Vandals, and other add and assorted groups of nasties hell-bent on destroying Europe, European civilization, and more specifically, The Catholic Church?

4:52 AM  
Blogger Athos said...

Belloc (1st in History, Oxford) was a lone figure in the 20th century crying in the wilderness saying, as you know, the same thing. Today, a growing multitude is bringing greater clarity to the host of lies and umbrage: Eamon Duffy (Stripping of the Altars, Fires of Faith) on the so-called English 'reformation' (see where it's got them today), Thomas Madden on the Crusades, and Crocker's superb history of those times, TRIUMPH. And this not even mentioning all the work showing definitively that Shakespeare maintained his Catholic faith in the midst of Lord Cecil's regime of terror (behind the skirts of Elizabeth). Cheers

5:54 AM  
Blogger misterdasher said...

Off-topic, but still post-related:

When was the picture taken? The only time I remember His Excellency at Sacred Heart was the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in 2007.

6:55 AM  
Blogger Viator Catholicus said...

In fact, a new "Dark Age" is dawning and is in the previous the only light we have comes from the Church.

7:18 AM  
Blogger chestertonian said...

The period in history that say the greatest, most radical, full-throttled advances in human rights, particularly the status of women in society and the eradication of slavery? And in the shortest amount of time? Who can guess?

The 1960s? No.

The Communist Revolution? Um, no.

The French Revolution? No.

The American Revolution? No.

The "enlightenment"? No, not by a long shot. In fact, this is when slavery began to become popular again.

The Renaissance? No.

Correct answer: the so-called Dark Ages, when thanks to Catholic social teaching, which still had not yet come to full flower, the status of women, the poor, the downtrodden, slaves, and everyone else increased exponentially, as the teaching that we are all one in Christ spread across Europe, Syria, Palestine, and North Africa.

Islam began the reversal, the Protestant rebellion completed it. Catholics who dis the "Dark Ages" betray extreme stupidity.

7:36 AM  
Blogger Enbrethiliel said...


I'm starting to wonder about that term "Dark Ages." I've heard it used to describe the centuries after the Fall of the Roman Empire, but before the Great Schism--an era which deserves the name far more than what we have in mind when we say "Middle Ages."

8:13 AM  
Blogger Baron Korf said...

The wool leggings itch something terrible, but its a small price to pay for a wider fidelity.

9:21 AM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...

Personaly, I think the "Dark Ages" were one of the brights spots in Christian History:

Beauty, Art, and undivided Church... .

Besides, even at their worst, the Dark Ages knew nothing like the death toll from Genocidal War, Induced Famines, Abortions, Rampant Murder, that marked the 20th century. Nor did they know the sophistic justification of every perversion, disorder and disrespect of the human person that has marked the first decade of the 21st century.

These are the Dark Ages, and we moderns are the barbarians.

Bring back the age of faith.

1:11 PM  
Blogger Joe of St. Thérèse said...

Dark ages werent so dark as i say we cant let prots write our history

1:33 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

I'm not exactly sure, but I *think* is was pre-motu proprio.

4:14 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

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4:15 PM  
Blogger Gideon Ertner said...

I am sincerely puzzled. I thought pseudo-catholics were all about 'discovering the vitality of the early church' with its communion in the hand, sign of peace, extensive lay participation in liturgy, popular election of bishops, female clergy, no nasty dogmas etc.*

Perhaps the Dark Ages just aren't far enough back?

*All largely bogus, of course.

4:58 PM  
Blogger chestertonian said...

"The Catholic Church was the only thing that brough Europe out of the dark Ages." -G.K. Chesterton

(and btw, Cavey, cool Chesterton quote topside)

6:39 PM  
Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

I can't recall the source of this, but I read long, long ago that the term, Dark Ages, was coined during the Age of Enlightenment either by the "modern" philosophers of the time or by Protestants. I don't remember which.

The Dark Ages weren't all that dark, even though "dark" Europe was culturally behind the Byzantine East and even the Golden Age of Islam, which wasn't all that golden.

7:12 PM  
Blogger TCN said...

So dark were the Dark Ages that the Catholic Church managed to codify the Bible as we know it, fund huge art projects (divine art, no "piss-Christ"), found universities (never before existed), copy out all of the ancient literature we have today, learn techniques of modern medicine, animal husbandry and crop rotation, invent the horse collar (which revolutionized farming), etc. etc. ad nauseum. All while preserving Holy Mother Church and developing theology to the highest point in history (think Aquinas and the Scholastics). Pretty "dark" indeed.

Somebody else will have to list the few and paltry developments of the "enlightenment." I'll stick with the Church.

10:18 PM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...

Funny ya'll should bring this up! I'm right in the middle of reading two books by Regine Pernoud:

"Women in the days of the Cathedrals" and

"Those terrible middle ages"

Fantastic books that tell the TRUTH about the wonderfully Catholic "middle ages"

4:07 AM  
Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

Another excellent reference:

Norman F. Cantor, "Medieval History: the Life and Death of a Civilization," (1963) that has since been updated and re-titled as "The Civilization of the Middle Ages."

6:54 PM  
Blogger Al said...

For more on the truth about the so-called "Dark Ages" I'd recommend Tom Woods "How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization". As has already been pointed out, the only place the light was on during the 'dark ages" was in the Catholic Church, esp monasteries.

10:52 PM  
Blogger Joe of St. Thérèse said...

Golden Age of Islam = Golden age of copying.

1:01 AM  
Blogger jaykay said...

Ah yes, the Dark Ages that suddenly came to an end on December 8th 1965... when the New Springtime descended upon us.

Y'know, the New Springtime...

Chant it again...

New Springtime...

New Springtime of the People of God...

Sheesh, so MEDIEVAL on this blog. Feeeeel the godess within you...

Hagia Gaia...

Sancte Moloch...

Adoremus te, Baal...

Credo in Deum meum... (while respecting the deity of your personal choice)

You're not with me?

Ohhhhh... (tight lipped)... I can see we all need a LOT of walking around the labyrinth here

8:16 PM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

Going back to the Dark Ages??!!

Shucks, I didn't think I was that old. I was born and got through junior year in high school during the Dark Ages then -- cuz way back then, the only Mass said throughout the world was the same Mass with the exception that the epistle, gospel, and sermon were provided to the people in the their own language, i.e., the vernacular (golly, how novel!)

8:26 PM  

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