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Those wacky Jesuits!
You can't make this kind of stuff up. Looks like the APCC seminary has it's first graduate. Here's some of the Jesuit fishwrap better known as America magazine; (Emphasis mine)Barack Obama and Vatican II
The president's persona and the spirit of the council
John W. O'Malley
We have a Vatican II president. Barack Obama, I am sure, does not think of himself in those terms, but when I heard his speech at Grant Park in Chicago the night he was elected, and more recently his commencement address at Notre Dame, that is what immediately struck me. On those occasions he embodied and professed in his public persona the spirit of the council.
... when I heard Obama’s two speeches I was struck by how much he spoke in accord with the spirit of Vatican II. In those two addresses, as well as in his other speeches, he called for civility, for the end of name-calling, and for a willingness to work together to deal with our common problems, including abortion, rather than a stand-off determination to impose one’s principles without reckoning what the cost to the common good might be.
President Jenkins of Notre Dame called attention to Obama’s oratorical gifts. Such gifts are consonant with the rhetorical tradition that produced the spirit of Vatican II. The council deliberately chose to speak as much as possible “in the pastoral style of the Fathers,” who were schooled from their earliest days in the rhetorical tradition. That tradition is what made them such effective preachers and leaders of their communities.
Classical theorists about rhetoric like Cicero and Quintilian described it as the art of winning consensus, the art of bringing people together for a common cause. It is an art, please note, closely related to ethics, for those same theorists described the truly successful orator as vir bonus dicendi peritus--a good man, skilled in public speaking. It is an art in which Obama excels and which, certainly unwittingly, puts him in touch with the spirit of Vatican II.
I often hear laments that the spirit of Vatican II is dead in the church. Is it not ironic that not a bishop but the President of the United States should today be the most effective spokesperson for that spirit?
John W. O'Malley, S.J., is university professor, theology department, at Georgetown University and author of What Happened at Vatican II. By the way, there really is a Vatican II Institute for Continuing Formation. I guess dedicating this institution to a Saint was asking too much. That pesky overt Catholicism.
Those wacky Jesuits!
You can't make this kind of stuff up. Looks like the APCC seminary has it's first graduate. Here's some of the Jesuit fishwrap better known as America magazine; (Emphasis mine)
The president's persona and the spirit of the council
John W. O'Malley
We have a Vatican II president. Barack Obama, I am sure, does not think of himself in those terms, but when I heard his speech at Grant Park in Chicago the night he was elected, and more recently his commencement address at Notre Dame, that is what immediately struck me. On those occasions he embodied and professed in his public persona the spirit of the council.
... when I heard Obama’s two speeches I was struck by how much he spoke in accord with the spirit of Vatican II. In those two addresses, as well as in his other speeches, he called for civility, for the end of name-calling, and for a willingness to work together to deal with our common problems, including abortion, rather than a stand-off determination to impose one’s principles without reckoning what the cost to the common good might be.
President Jenkins of Notre Dame called attention to Obama’s oratorical gifts. Such gifts are consonant with the rhetorical tradition that produced the spirit of Vatican II. The council deliberately chose to speak as much as possible “in the pastoral style of the Fathers,” who were schooled from their earliest days in the rhetorical tradition. That tradition is what made them such effective preachers and leaders of their communities.
Classical theorists about rhetoric like Cicero and Quintilian described it as the art of winning consensus, the art of bringing people together for a common cause. It is an art, please note, closely related to ethics, for those same theorists described the truly successful orator as vir bonus dicendi peritus--a good man, skilled in public speaking. It is an art in which Obama excels and which, certainly unwittingly, puts him in touch with the spirit of Vatican II.
I often hear laments that the spirit of Vatican II is dead in the church. Is it not ironic that not a bishop but the President of the United States should today be the most effective spokesperson for that spirit?
John W. O'Malley, S.J., is university professor, theology department, at Georgetown University and author of What Happened at Vatican II.
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
7:24 AM
8 Comments:
Granted only an excerpt is quoted, but where does O'Malley mention Christ or the Catholic Faith. Apparently, we should believe that the so-called "spirit of vatican II" has nothing to do with either. In fact, it's very telling when he holds up a man who knowingly and willingly supports at least two sins that cry to heaven for vengeance as the bearer of that spirit.
"I often hear laments that the spirit of Vatican II is dead in the church."
*That* is the ultimate goal...
Before our very eyes we are watching the world take sides. This scares me a great deal and I am not easily scared.
Generally speaking, I think Vatican II critics often miss the proverbial boat....however, calling Obama a Vatican II president is enough make me puke.
Caveman: You are right on target about "taking sides". The heretics at America magazine have now completely descended into the abyss of evil.
Robert, "Vatican II" critics or "The Spirit of Vatican II" critics? We're talking apples and oranges here...
O'Malley is delusional at best.
Yes, the devil is very charming and eloquent.
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