Tuesday, April 29, 2008












Marini and the Ghost of Bugnini Strike Again!
(My comments in "RED.")

Vatican official calls liturgical renewal 'irreversible path' By John Thavis Catholic News Service VATICAN CITY (CNS) --
Liturgical renewal launched by the Second Vatican Council is an "irreversible path" (Too bad we can't start over!) and has not been affected by Pope Benedict XVI's concession on wider use of the Tridentine rite (wrong phrase, dip-shit!), a Vatican official said. "The pope's decision has so far not produced any change in the celebrative practice of our ecclesial communities. (Guess what, Marini? We are already starting to see changes in how the Mass of Paul VI is being celebrated, to include the altar arrangements, and "ad orientem" celebration.) His gesture was only one of service to unity," Archbishop Piero Marini, who arranged papal liturgies for more than 20 years, (Yes, and what a freakin' disaster those pagan rituals were!) said in an interview April 25 in the Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano. "Therefore let's look ahead and let's continue with enthusiasm the path undertaken by the council," he said. (That would be the path of total destruction Marini?)

Late last year Archbishop Marini was named to head the Pontifical Committee for International Eucharistic Congresses. (I would have sent him to Somalia, or some other vacation spot.) The archbishop remains involved in international liturgical issues, and he said a revision of the committee's statutes is giving it wider authority over eucharistic congresses at the national and regional level, too. Asked if Pope Benedict's relaxation of restrictions on the use of the pre-Vatican II liturgy signaled a halt to the liturgical reform movement, Archbishop Marini said that was clearly not the pope's aim. The pope's decree "does not intend to introduce modifications on the current Roman Missal or express a negative judgment on the liturgical reform desired by the council," he said. (Too bad! The Holy Father should toss out the entire Ordinary form, and put together what the Fathers of the Council really meant. Now that would be a positive start.) He said the decree, which reached out to disaffected Catholics, should be seen as an effort to maintain unity in the church. (No, it was meant to show liberal bishops that the "Mass of all Time" was NEVER abrogated, you knucklehead!)

Archbishop Marini said his own experience in organizing papal liturgies in more than 100 countries has convinced him that the liturgical reform movement has brought overwhelmingly positive results. "Everywhere, the liturgy desired by the council was celebrated with lively participation and enthusiasm. Everyone understood the liturgy as proper to the local church and at the same time as an expression of the universal church," he said. (First off Einstein, the Ordinary form was NOT what the Council desired. Second, please show me ANY positve results of the Novus Ordo. Please, any? Any? Any?) Those liturgies also demonstrated that liturgical reform has solid theological foundations, he said. (Ah, allow me to say "Bullshit!") "Therefore this is an irreversible path," he said. Liturgical celebration cannot be separated from the life of the church, the archbishop said, and this means "the church of today, not the church of yesterday or of tomorrow." (I will happily take the "Church of yesterday.") At the same time, Archbishop Marini said celebrating the liturgy according to Vatican II is not an easy thing. It takes patience, perseverance and pastoral charity, he said. (Allow me to throw down the Bullshit Flag again. Even a monkey, or the liturgically retarded, could celebrate the Ordinary form!)

One particular issue that has emerged during papal trips, he said, is the fact that some Masses are now attended by hundreds of thousands of the faithful. (Yes, and they all look like giant Protestant "Praise & Worship" services.) That raises practical considerations like the number of concelebrants, the distribution of Communion and the level of personal participation, he said. Pope Benedict has already asked for reconsideration of the role of concelebrants, and Archbishop Marini said it makes sense to look at the question through a serious study and with eventual pastoral-liturgical guidelines. Archbishop Marini looked ahead to the 49th International Eucharistic Congress in Quebec June 15-22, and he praised the local planning for the event. In particular, he said, Quebec Cardinal Marc Ouellet deserves credit for the enthusiasm, competence and commitment he has brought to the congress. "I hope this congress will be a source of life and a sign of a renewed springtime in the church (Holy crap! He actually uses the "Springtime of the Church" BS. Should have known?) in Quebec, in Canada and in the whole world," the archbishop said.

6 Comments:

Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

"the church of today, not the church of yesterday or of tomorrow."

Ever hear "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and tomorrow" you blithering heretical retard?!

1:04 PM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

The pope's decree "does not intend to introduce modifications on the current Roman Missal or express a negative judgment on the liturgical reform desired by the council,"

...while artfully neglecting to mention the chasm between 'what was desired by the Council' and 'what has transpired despite those desires'...

1:08 PM  
Blogger Viator Catholicus said...

Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae took the words right out of my mouth. One would think a bishop might would at least acknowledge the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ! Being the Body of Christ is is part divine and therefore always the same.

"They all look like giant Protestant "Praise & Worship" services."
Actually, sometimes its worse! Isn't it twisted and perverse that churches are built in the round-like an amphitheater- with the priest in the center? Are Catholics supposed to identify with the Romans in the colosseum watching the martyrs getting mauled by beasts. And because worshippers must watch some priests butcher the liturgy, perhaps there is some irony in that.

1:55 PM  
Blogger Joe of St. Thérèse said...

He, along with Cardinal Mahony need to be sent to the Dioese of the South Pole.

5:49 PM  
Blogger Arkanabar T'verrick Ilarsadin said...

Ever hear "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and tomorrow" you blithering heretical retard?! --Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae

Yes indeedy!! Here's what could be the same error, in a different direction:

(I will happily take the "Church of yesterday.")

4:30 PM  
Blogger Alicia said...

Oh, sorry, my sides are freakin' aching from laughter. My sentiments exactly!

5:14 PM  

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