Monday, January 21, 2008

The Overrun Priesthood, A Corrupted Faith
Yeah... I'll come out and say it

I've heard that we live in the so-called "Age of the Laity". If that's the case, this member of the laity has something to say. Namely, that the Catholic priesthood in the United States of America has been overrun by pro-abortionists, sodomite-friendly, New-Age hippie burn-outs, and when you get right down to it... flat-out heretics.

As I read a com-box posting last night from the enigmatic John, and he said something that many of us have known for quite some time, but I guess with the literal landslide of ecclesiastical crap I've witnessed in the past few months, what John said struck me with greater emphasis - as John so eloquently stated; "Once upon a time, you could count on your pastor to be orthodox. Now you literally have to quiz him to find out if he is even Catholic."

Know what? HE'S RIGHT! I even did a WWII-style GI Quiz a ways back concerning the piss-poor state of our priesthood.

But anyhow, here's a few points I submit for your consideration --

From the study "Homosexual orientation among Catholic seminarian students";

As noted in an essay on priests with a homosexual orientation in the Roman Catholic priesthood, estimates range from "perhaps more than 10%" to 58%. It is generally recognized that a larger percentage of seminary students than priests have a homosexual orientation.

At this time, the Roman Catholic Church does not normally exclude male candidates for seminary because they have a homosexual orientation. The one exception is believed to be St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Philadelphia, PA.
One down, seventy six to go.

The constant sodomization of our priesthood aside, here's some of a posting I did a couple of years ago entitled "What Catholic Priests Are Reading". This explains much.

From the Duke University Divinity School’s "Pulpit & Pew Project". They polled over 2,500 Catholic and Protestant ministers. Here are the Top Twelve authors that Catholic priests are reading. I've included a sentence or two on the not so famous authors listed.

Father Henri J. M. Nouwen - He preached Universal Salvation; "Every one will be saved" and "Anyone can find his own way to God". In his final book Sabbatical Journey : The Diary of His Final Year there is an ostensible endorsement of "gay" marriage. He was also a avid reader of Matthew Fox, the renegade Dominican. Why doesn't that surprise me?

Father Raymond Brown - Brown received 24 honorary degrees, many from Protestant institutions. He openly argued against Jesus' physical Resurrection; the Transfiguration; the fact that Jesus founded the one, true Catholic Church and instituted the priesthood and the episcopacy. He has also called into question into the virginal conception of Jesus and the accounts of our Lord's birth and childhood. Cardinal Mahony hailed him as "the most distinguished and renowned Catholic biblical scholar to emerge in this country ever" and his death, the cardinal said, was "a great loss to the Church". 'Nuff said.

Father William J. Bausch - Leading proponent of Women's Ordination (Chicks with Pyx), optional celibacy for priests, and Sex Ed in Catholic schools all the way down to the Kindergarten level; "finally, the nation's Catholic schools have inaugurated sex abuse prevention lessons for children as early as age five..."

Father Anthony de Mello - Another Jesuit. Proponent of a melding of Catholicism, Zen Buddhism, modern psychology, and yoga. Big shock, huh?

Dr. William Barclay - A so-called "great Bible Teacher". For starters, he openly denied the Dogma of the Virgin Birth; "The Jews had a saying that in the birth of every child there are three partners--the father, the mother, and the Spirit of God. They believed that no child could ever be born without the Spirit. And it may well be that the New Testament stories of the birth of Jesus are lovely, poetical ways of saying that, even if He had a human father, the Holy Spirit of God was operative in His birth in a unique way. In this matter we may make our own decision".

Father Richard P. McBrien - Head Honcho at the Theology Department at the University of Notre Dame. Openly challenges the Dogmas of Papal Infallibility, the Blessed Mother's Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, Confession, The Real Presence (he describes the Catholic belief in transubstantiation as "medieval").

Father Karl Rahner - Yet another Jesuit. As one writer put it, "Without Rahner... the Second Vatican Council's liberalization of dogma and ecclesiastical structure would have been almost unthinkable without him". Rahner is the veritable Big Daddy of the "Cosmic Jesus" heresy so prevalent in The Church. According to him, what is there in the afterlife? Precisely nothing—for there is no afterlife, just an "all-cosmic body" in death. Rahner himself made a similar point when claiming that Vatican II marked the emergence of a 'World Church'. Thanks to Rahner, Protestants were no longer simply benighted heretics, pagans no longer simply in error. Rather, if the Churches ever are reunited, the non-Catholic Christians will bring something positive; and even the institutional forms of paganism can be of salvific significance.

C. S. Lewis - Hope springs eternal. At least they're reading him.

Father Mark Link - *sigh* ANOTHER Jesuit. And silly me, I've been wondering so long why we have so many shitty priests in the Church. Anyhow, Father Feelgood here is the Joe Dirt of Catholicism (life's a garden, dig it). Father Link has such deep sayings as "The Church is like a net that fisherman cast into the sea. The Church can't discriminate either". Wow... the Summa Theological for the Vatican II Church if I ever saw it.

Sheesh, and we wonder why things are so screwed up. But look what didn't quite make the Top Twelve. And keep in mind, this stuff is being read by our priests...

Sister Joan Chittister - One of the featured writers at the Jesuit run America magazine. Need I say more?

Dianne Bergant - Penned such phallo-phobic page turners as But She Said: Feminist Practices of Biblical Interpretation; An Ecological Vision of the World: Toward a Christian Ecological Theology for Our Age; The Earth Is the Lord's: The Bible, Ecology, and Worship; and The Strange Woman: Power and Sex in the Bible.

Joyce Rupp - Another Cosmic Jesus freak. From her book The Cosmic Dance An Invitation to Experience Our Oneness (I'm serious, that's what it's really called) "I am made up of stardust, that every part and parcel of who I am materially was once a piece of a star shining in the heavens". Ok.... and by the time we got to Woodstock, we were half a million strong. So what's your point, Joyce?

Rosemary Radford Ruether - A gyno-centric writer who spoke at the first meeting of the Women's Ordination Conference, and since 1985 has been a member of the board of directors of the pro-abortion feminist organization Catholics for A Free Choice. Ruether believes the Word of God is a lie-a collection of myths-and that "the Bible has to be demythologized"-that is, rewritten from the feminist perspective. Ruether was a founder of Women-Church and in 1983 helped unite many of the feminist groups into [a coalition called] Women-Church Convergence.
How about politically? You might enjoy this from the Ignatius Press - Homiletic & Pastoral Review entitled "Party Politics and the Priesthood";

Whatever the genesis or motivation, there is now substantial evidence that the clergy of at least one archdiocese (Chicago) have demonstrated voting patterns indicating a preference for a Democrat party affiliation.

The Illinois Leader,a conservative news source, has recently published on their web page the results of a survey of voting patterns of Chicago priests covering four primary elections from 1996 through 2002. This study demonstrates a consistent voting pattern of approximately 4 to 1 in favor of the Democrat party among Catholic priests in Chicago. Actual results were as follows

Year of Primary % Republican % Democrat
1996 -------------- 19.8% --------------80.2%
1998 ---------------16.5% --------------83.5%
2000--------------- 23.0% --------------77.0%
2002 ---------------24.5% --------------75.5%
Average ----------21.3% --------------78.7%
Few will argue that the Democratic Party is the party of the abortionist, the militant homosexual, the stem-cell advocates, euthansasia proponents, etc.

Something else to consider... to date, you can count on two fingers the amount of predominantly Novus Ordo seminaries that are making a slow but sure turn to traditional, orthodox Catholicism... St Vincent's in Latrobe (PA), and St Charles Borromeo in Philadelphia will start to teach students the Traditional Latin Mass.

Diocesan workshops teaching the Latin Mass are a good thing... no, I take that back... they're a GREAT thing. But when only 2 out of 77 seminaries even offer to teach the TLM, you know that something is undeniably lacking in our esteemed bishops in regard to their loyalty to the intent of The Holy Father's recent motu proprio.

Not many will come out and say it, but I will. Most American bishops have essentially told Pope Benedict to go to hell.

Let's put aside The Latin Mass and Traditional Catholicism for a second... we all know how the Modernists look upon them. What about the priests that celebrate The New Mass but actually still believe in The Real Presence, Sacramental Confession, a minor sticking point called "sin"?

Let's be honest, that handful of good priests are looked upon with sneers at every turn. As a friend once put it, they're suffering a silent martyrdom. As an even closer friend stated; "The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests)."

To the wolves in sheep's clothing, know this --- I'm making it my life's mission to expose you. I'm damn fed-up. I'm not going to take it anymore. I will not sit idly by while Holy Mother The Church raped on a daily basis.

Who'll join me?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

"To the wolves in sheep's clothing, know this --- I'm making it my life's mission to expose you. I'm damn fed-up. I'm not going to take it anymore. I will not sit idly by while Holy Mother The Church raped on a daily basis. Who'll join me?"

I'm with you.

12:53 PM  
Blogger John said...

Victory in this war is achieved one soul, one priest, one bishop at a time. It requires the pouring out of divine grace without which no man can come to God. Grace is given to those who pray, to those who weep for their sins, to those who learn and instruct the ignorant in the truths of the Faith. Grace is given to the humble who know themselves for what they are - "humus" or dirt in the eyes of their Creator. And grace is given to those who love enough to demand that Truth be defended and God's rights be respected.
I've been a pseudo-hermit in this struggle for 30 years now. For whatever reason I am getting weak. My own devotion and virtues lag for want of prayer. Understand the power of the evil one against those who struggle against his minions who are literally hell bent on destroying God's Holy Church. They are wily and patient ... very patient. They will gladly retreat before us for years until, our attention flagging, they abruptly turn back and hit us head on with overwhelming force. Do not enter into this struggle without true devotion to Our Lady and God's angels and saints, without true love for Our Savior crucified. And pray for those who, like me, are wounded in the battle ... the battle of WILL which, if the will was not stricken, would be easy to win.

3:56 PM  
Blogger Adrienne said...

I think the problem is the Vatican pretty much ignoring what the Catholics (meaning the Bishops and priests) in the USA are doing. For some reason they view what we are up to as "not important" and we are just a blip on the Catholic radar.

Everyday I must remind myself that the Holy Spirit is doing his job and I must decide which battles to fight. The tendency to become shrill is stron and save it for the dinner table with my husband. In the public square I try to be way more subversive - it's an Italian trait!!

4:01 PM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...


I'm in. I guess were the nights of the new crusade, except we're behind enemy lines.

Well, that's where a paratrooper's supposed to be.

6:00 PM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...

Oh yeah--one consolation: the last time unbiased research came Out of Duke, it was on paint weathering on tropical porches.

6:06 PM  
Blogger Alli said...

Thank you so much for this post - my orthodox friends and I (you may have met them at some point) have been going through the library at the Newman (*cringes*) Center here in Chapel Hill, and we're organizing all the books... better yet, we've been "creatively taking care of" all the heretical books.

This will help so very, very much, even though it pains me because I love Nouwen's writing style, if not his theology... *sigh*

7:07 PM  
Blogger jokeyloki said...

I'm with you! I'm a new Catholic, and I'm very lucky to live in a parish where the two priests we have (2 for nearly 4000 people!!) are very reverent, one of them being a newer priest who loves the smells and bells... but the few times I've ventured out to other parishes in our area, I've been horrified. The authors you posted make me sad, but I can't say I'm surprised.

10:55 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

The only author of hope on the list - CS Lewis - was a non-Catholic, but more Catholic than all the others.

Fr Link's quote about the Church being a fishing net reminds me of an incomplete version of the parable of the dragnet (Mt 13:47-50). Jesus completes his version with:

"When [the net] was full, men drew it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into vessels but threw away the bad. So it will be at the close of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth." (Mt 13:48-50)

On this note, Jesus finishes an extensive series of illustrations of the kingdom of heaven in Matthew Chapter 13. Notice it says nothing about where those compared to the "good fish" will be going. He emphasizes that the bad are going to hell.

Michael Savage, a conservative talk-show host, says liberalism is a mental disorder because many liberal policies in essence promote actions which amount to personal, social, and national suicide, and that it's unnatural for a being to so consistently promote causes working toward one's own demise. This portrayal of liberalism very much aligns with what these "Catholic" authors, only it is they who work toward spiritual suicide for themselves and those who are infected with their ideas.

Perhaps Fr Link's illustration of the Church resembles an incomplete parable of the dragnet because such an illustration refrains from taking into account that hell literally exists, as is held widely by liberal exegesis. It's too bad for those who hold such a position that Jesus' words, and not theirs, would have a final say on the matter.

We cannot sit by and allow such people to drag others down with them into hell. I, too, am behind any efforts to expose and nullify the efforts of these wolves in sheep's clothing.

12:37 AM  
Blogger Al said...

1 question: "How did C.S. Lewis ever get on that list?" He is way too orthodox in his views.

AS for the battle, it is 2-fold. We need to do everything we can to support those priests who believe in The Real Presence, Sacramental Confession, a minor sticking point called "sin". It is our responsibility to do so.

& the other side, IS to expose the garbage for what it is.

To quote a line from the movie "Network": "I'm mad as Hell & I'm not going to take it any more!"


2:25 AM  
Blogger PreVat2 said...

As always, I'm by your side! This crap has been going on since the late 1950s, and reached its peak during VII.

If we set out on a new Crusade, with Mary in the lead, we will uncover these Satan loving sodomites who have done so much to help destroy Holy Mother Church.

Pass me that baseball bat, Marine! Start swinging!!!

Semper Fi

8:50 AM  
Blogger Leo XIII said...

The Vatican is not ignoring the problem. The problem is so big the Vatican does not know how to make corrections without causing a schism.

9:21 AM  
Blogger Kasia said...

I think the problem is the Vatican pretty much ignoring what the Catholics (meaning the Bishops and priests) in the USA are doing.

My guess, for what it's worth, is that the original tack the Vatican took was to wait and see if the changes in the Americas were just symptomatic of the times ('60s and '70s) and might correct themselves, or whether more drastic corrective action was needed. And I think the current Holy Father does in fact see that corrective action is needed, and is trying to be firm and pastoral without precipitating outright schism.

I think the Titanic analogy is an apt one. Someone once told me that the reason the ship hit the iceberg and sank was that the person steering panicked when he saw the iceberg and overcorrected: adjusted the steering as far to the side as he could to try to miss the iceberg. But because of the size and relative lack of maneuverability of the ship, as well as the proximity of the iceberg, what he effectively did was make sure the iceberg broadsided the ship. If he had corrected less forcefully, the angle of the ship would've avoided the iceberg completely, or at most might have taken a small hit that would not necessarily have sunk the ship. Likewise, the Holy Father is trying to save as many souls as he can - let's say he's hunting for the one lost sheep.

11:06 AM  
Blogger Fr. Erik Richtsteig said...

The problem is that these people are the ones, by and large, promoted at official retreats for priests, religious education congresses, and in the quasi-official journals of the clerical establishment (NCDisorter, America, et al.) For one, I question the validity of the study. Which dioceses is the survey conducted? Is it a wide cross section of the clegy or just chancery wonks?

I for one have only read two of the authors voluntarily. C. S. Lewis (good guy for a Prot) and Ruether (so I could savage her in a term paper.)

12:43 PM  
Blogger Claire said...


I honestly wish you were right, but there have been COUNTLESS examples of the Vatican protecting/tolerating/encouraging/
ignoring grossly heretical "religious", whilst at the same time clamping down savagely on "traditionalists", that I don't buy the "wait and see" scenario.

Anyway, it's a treat to read you all. Makes me feel not so lonely.
I hope you have more success than my family and I did when we challenged the shenanigans going on in our diocese in England 20 years ago. God go with you in the fight, and may Our Lady be at our side always.

5:08 PM  
Blogger Fidei Defensor said...

For what it is worth, I am not trying to make it seem like problems don't exist but I'd be cautious about the figures cited in various studies, esp. ones saying things like 50% of seminarians are gay, etc.

The Canadian secularists running that "Religius Tolerance" webpage are not at all above using faulty "facts," studies, claims, etc, and usually the Catholic Church is a favorite punching bag of theirs.

I am no expert, but just from what I know of seminarians and seminaries today, the ammount of gay seminarians is probably the lowest it's been since the late 1960's.

For starters most gays my age who I encounter have a pretty strong level of dislike towards the Catholic Church, and organized religion in general (even very liberal branches of Protestantism that seek to accomidate them).

I think we had gay seminarians and priests in the past because it was an "all male" enivorment where a guy could escape to to avoid questions like "when are you going to settle down and get married," and avoid conflict with his parents, etc, this situation probably would have existed many decades ago whereas now gays don't really fear being in conflict with parents and society, no need for the priesthood as cover.

Second, you probably had a 2 decade span on the heals of Vatican II of gays going into the Seminary thinking the Church is changing and they could continute to drive and shape that change. As if the John Paul II pontificate left any doubt, B-XVI has been the nail in the coffin, the Church is not going to "change" as it stands outside of time.

I think these reports and horror stories we here about huge percentags of seminarians being gay (even if they were wouldn't a lot of them like when asked?) and tales of a "Lavender Maffia" and a "gay subculture" in the Priesthood, some of this stuff is just old Black Legend reformation era crap that just won't go away.

They surve a purpuse in lettting socialogists and researchers come up with an "edgy" study, since attacking the Church is always edgy. Then eneimes of the church trumpet these results as if to say... look at you Catholics, you are failures, you are hypocrites, your own priests are with us!

Of course we can't turn a blind eye to problems but we can't give into despair, especailly due to something so artifical as this.

Have young men been turned away from seminary for being to orthodox? have seminiarians in the past been made to feel bad for having a strong devotion to the Blessed Mother and strong loyalty to the Holy Father? Yes. Does this happen today? Maybe, but less and less.

I think three (possibly four)seminaries in the US are teaching the Extrodinary form of Mass, and don't forget many a diocese does send it's best and brightest to the American Seminary in Rome and I have heard that all students there might start learning the Old Mass as well. Give it time, as more and more parishes start offering the Old Mass, more vocations will come from young men who attended and desire to offer such Masses.

Time is on our side.

10:10 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Valod points you raise. But I'd like to point out that even if these numbers are inflated 100%, there's still one helluva problem in The Church in America.

There are plenty of the "hanger-oners" left in the priesthood.

6:17 AM  
Blogger Bruce said...

Don't forget the archdiocese of New York!!!
I have it confirmed that St. Joseph's Seminary in Yonkers, aka Dunwoodie, had been instructing its future priests on how to offer the Traditional Latin Mass last Fall. The class continues this semester. Moreover, a memeber of the FSSP already offered a TL Mass for the seminarians in the minor seminary chapel at the invitation of the faculty in September. Another Mass will be offered in the major seminary chapel this winter.
[I also believe a class is being offered at Mount St. Mary's in Emmitsburg.]

8:15 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

"The one exception is believed to be St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Philadelphia, PA."

And who was the former rector of St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Philadelphia, PA? Bishop Burbidge.

You've got the right man there. I think this is Papa R.'s strategy: drop the hard-core commandos into the growing dioceses, and let them rally the locals.

As for me, I'm signed on, Cavemeister.

10:38 PM  

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