Thursday, October 04, 2007

THIS Is What "The Spirit" Of Vatican II Is
This guy is the embodiment for everything that's gone wrong in The Church for the last 40+ years

Here's an interesting little tid-bit from The California Catholic Daily

Rope dancing at the offertory
Retired bishop of Sacramento returns to diocese

A bishop who said he has been “addicted to the desert” is leaving it. Francis A. Quinn, retired bishop of Sacramento, is returning to Sacramento, according to an Oct. 1 diocesan news release. Quinn, 86, has spent the last 13 years working with the Yaqui and Tohono O’odham Indian nations in the deserts of southern Arizona.

The Yaquis, said Quinn, “are Roman Catholic to the core.” Their liturgies have been inculturated, including rope dancing at the offertory, he said, and “doing smoke blessings in the four directions instead of the penitential rite.” (Look on the bright side... at least there's no human sacrifice. Now THAT would be inculturation!)

Quinn said his spiritual life developed in working with the Indians. He used to find the Liturgy of the Hours “more of a burden,” but “now I get something out of reading it” -- even at night, when he normally would be reading Robert Ludlum or John Grisham. (How nice that he now "gets something" from the Liturgy o/t Hours)

Quinn said he thought lay involvement in the Church “a beautiful development.” “I think God has allowed this shortage of clergy and religious for a reason,” he said. “We can learn so much from laypeople.” (This guy just doesn't get it, does he? No priests, no Eucharist. No Eucharist, no Catholic Church. No Catholic Church, no salvation)

Quinn said, as bishop, he tried to encourage Catholic politicians, not to “just dodge” moral issues such as abortion and capital punishment, but to speak about and promote their “faith conviction” about them. As for giving communion to politicians who are pro-abortion, “in most cases,” he said, “you should not deny Communion publicly to anyone who comes to the Communion rail, because you do not know the present state of their conscience…” When, in 1989, San Diego’s Bishop Leo Maher refused communion to pro-abortion Assemblywoman Lucy Killea, Quinn welcomed her to communion. "No priest in this diocese will ever refuse to give you communion," he said at the time. (And Archbishop Lefevbre was "excommunicated" for what, again?)

In 2005, Quinn was listed as a member of the advisory board for Priests for Life.
(That says it all)

7 Comments:

Blogger A. Carlton Sallet said...

(Look on the bright side... at least there's no human sacrifice. Now THAT would be inculturation!)

Actually there is. At every Mass.

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving Caveman!

8:44 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Guys like this are typical. It's the Finns and the Burkes that are rare.

8:56 AM  
Blogger CPT Tom said...

Caveman,

"In 2005, Quinn was listed as a member of the advisory board for Priests for Life. (That says it all)"

This is probably a stupid question, but, out of ignorance I ask it. I understand this guy is a fruit loop, and certainly a product of VII, but why so hard on the Priest for Life? Father Pavonne (their leader) certainly doesn't come across as anything but orthodox.

10:17 AM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

Wasn't Quinn Mahony's Ordinary when Mahony was not a Bishop?

1:35 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Contrast this guy with Padre Serra's work in San Diego and the Russians with the Eskimos. I don't recall ever seeing mention of dancing and shamanism in the Sanctuary.

3:57 PM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...

"tick-tock, tick-tock".

Guys like this make me really wish the church weren't a zoo.

8:32 AM  
Blogger Bruce said...

“I think God has allowed this shortage of clergy and religious for a reason,” he said. “We can learn so much from laypeople.”

Don't priests start out as laymen, born of laypeople, and interact with and serve laypeople everyday? Is the bishop suggesting that watching laypeople perform priestly functions the only way priests learn from the laity?

In Old Testament times God deprived the Israelites of the Temple sacrifices as a punishment for worshipping false gods and immorality.
Now, under the New Testament, we have the eternal and true sacrifice, greater than the Temple in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and perpetuated in an unbloody manner in the ministry of the altar by ordained priests. It will never be taken away, but the number of priests can decrease.

It is unlikely that the shortage of priests is God's "teaching moment" about the role of the laity?
In my opinion, the "priestly shortage" is a punishment for the trend of certain members of the New Israel, the Church, to worship "modernity" and "inculturation" by including pagan and profane ceremonies and music, especially within the Holy the Mass!

9:28 AM  

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