Tuesday, October 09, 2007

I Did A Little Checking...
And this is what I found

There was an insert in this Sunday's bulletin that was concerning some of the rationale and reasoning used by the pro-abortion camp. There was one particular quote cited by an unnamed "Princeton professor". Like I said, I did a little checking, and look what I found coming out of the esteemed yap of an Ivy League professor...

Australian Peter Singer is a Ira DeCamp Professor of Bioethics at the Princeton University Center for Human Values. Here's is just one of the quotes from his book Practical Ethics;

"Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons." With animals being self-aware, "the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee." And "a period of 28 days after birth might be allowed before an infant is accepted as having the same right to live as others."

And the learned professor went on to state in a 1999 interview with Michael Specter of the New Yorker; "... killing is wrong because when you kill someone who wants to live you make it impossible for that person to fulfill his preferences. Obviously, if you kill somebody whose preferences don't have much chance of success-a severely disabled infant, for example, or somebody in an advanced stage of Alzheimer's disease-the moral equation becomes entirely different." Or "killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person. Very often it is not wrong at all."

What ghoulish nightmare version of reality does this guy exist in? Honestly, I think Nazi Germany's own Dr. Josef "The Angel of Death" Mengele must be looking up from hell and smiling.

Well, at least we all now know what pure evil with a PhD looks like.


Blogger the Mom said...

What if you kill someone without a soul? If they aren't completely human, is it any different from putting down a mad dog?

8:47 AM  
Blogger salvage said...

So one guy represents the whole of the "pro-abortion" camp?

How about those who are pro-choice because it's the woman's body and she and she alone decides what's done to it?

9:39 AM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...

Thank you for having the guts to put these things on your blog so the rest of us, in our happy little bubbles, can see what's going on in the big wide world. That was so horrible I couldn't even finish reading the post. Call me a wimp...but this lady's heart of mine just took a mighty kick! I actually got sick to my stomach - and this is a woman who spent six years as a medic and who lambs sheep and calves cows! It takes a lot to make my guts lurch. This post...this utter horror being visited upon our unborn...ok I have to go now or I'm going to vomit. GOD BLESS, Wimpy Coffee Wife.
P.S. I pray you won't mind but I'm going to post this on my blog and link it back to your blog so's folk know where it came from... People need to know. God save us.

12:24 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

A baby killer is a baby killer is a baby killer.

By the way, the unborn child isn't "her body". There's a completely different cell structure, DNA, heatbeat, brain waves, etc.

Your rational isn't much different from Peter Singer's.... or Josef Mengele.

12:50 PM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...


Video documentary about the terrorists in Russia. NON Liberal

12:53 PM  
Blogger salvage said...

Ahahah! Yes! I am a Nazi! Please tell me how much do you actually know of Megele and what he did?

And no, a fetus is not a baby, a baby is a baby.

Furthermore as long as the baby needs the womb to exist it is part of that womb and thus part of the woman and no one's bidness but her's.

2:21 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

You're right... you're not a Nazi. Dip-shits like you make the Nazis look like Kindergarteners. And I know plenty about Mengele. Unlike you, I even know how to spell his name.

BTW, I see you're tap-dancing. First you stated that "it's her body", now you're stating that the baby is dependent on the mother (womb) for survival. No shit, dumb-ass. And for the first few years of your life, you were constantly dependent on someone else, right?

Hell, you even referred to the baby as "the baby"! "Furthermore as long as the baby needs the womb to exist..."

So which one is it? Is (as you so correctly stated) the baby no more than "a part of the woman" or is it really a baby (human being) that's dependant on the woman?

Better yet, don't even bother responding. It's glaringly obvious that you are far from having your own head and ass wired together. If you were any more of a mush-head, Singer would probably want you put to death.

Any further postings you send here will automatically be deleted without even so much as being read.

My time is far more valuable than to be wasted on a dip-shit such as yourself.

4:25 PM  
Blogger Mike the Geek said...

Mengele is smiling because it means there will be someone for him to stand on one of these days. Putting his feet on Singer's shoulders may keep him out of the boiling pitch.

4:55 PM  
Blogger Amy said...

Salvage (what an ironic moniker):

A fetus is a baby from the moment of conception.

How horrible that ANIMALS - who have no capability of high-level reasoning or emotion - are given more right to life than a newborn human being.

There's a simple solution to not having an "unwanted" pregnancy. Keep it in your pants.

A woman's body ceases to be her own the moment she's pregnant. A baby's body is his or her own and deserves EVERY protection from conception to natural death.

No exceptions.

Funny how the same people who sit outside prisons decrying the use of lethal injections in criminals who've committed horrendous acts have no problem using the very same lethal injection on a baby.

Babies are beautiful. Babies work very hard to live - they are able to move, feel, respond, etc. from very early in development. Have you ever watched ultrasound footage of an abortion? The baby tries to get away from death - a clear indication the baby has a survival instinct and a desire to live.

You, sir, are both ignorant and evil if you think a monkey has more rights than my 7-month-old.

5:20 PM  
Blogger Unitas said...

it's these same left-wingnuts that scream "it's her body!" when defending abortion that tell me I'm not allowed to smoke a cigarette.

The "it's my body" argument is different all of sudden.

Killing children is ok but you better not piss of the cigarette gestapo.

To top it off, cigarettes are heavily taxed to fund health care and deter people from starting the habit.

You don't see abortion being heavily taxed to support adoption agencies and to deter the practice, just the opposite, it's subsidized by tax dollars.

Of course liberals aren't known for their intellectual honesty.

5:21 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Yes, and the piss-ant in question keeps sending comment after comment. And I keep deleting them.

It never ceases to amaze me that individuals of his ilk that ooze in here can never figure out why they've been banished. Especially when I tell them "My time is far more valuable than to be wasted on a dip-shit such as yourself." He must really be that stupid.

Two questions;

1. Why do these idiots think they have the right to have their comments posted?

2. Does his mommy know he's using the computer unsupervised?

5:52 PM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...


This thread has actually generated two more comments than i had meant to post. So here we go:

1--the PhD Guy, singer (no I didnn't forget to capitalize his name--he doesn't deserve capital letters, he likes serial murder), is an example of what Fr. John Corapi said "You can educate yourself into embecility".

2--Salvage is not a Nazi. Nazis were evil, repugnant and savage. They were also self disciplined. He's a spoiled little argufier.

3--He can't be banned because he didn't agree to be banned. his freedom of speach is so valuable. Don't us ignorant Catholics know that dialoge continues until we agree with the moonbat baby murderers?

4--I would like to paddle people like that then set them to hoeing corn in august. With out farmer meals, with tofu and sprouts.

6:09 PM  
Blogger Unitas said...

My guess:

1. Because they think they have the right to use your blog as their soapox.

2. Maybe that is his mommy. Or would be if it wasn't aborted.

7:04 PM  
Blogger Unitas said...

Has any liberal thought about using the "quality of life" excuse to kill the poor? They do it with babies, the elderly, and the disabled, why not the poor as well?

But I also lack the superior mental abilities liberals have to hold two contradicting notions as both true.

7:11 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Because Sarge, liberals are bat-crap crazy mindless drones who are completely incapable of intelligent thought, whose only debating skill is screaming at whomever disagrees with them, who hold the idiotic position that it's possible to pick up a turd by it's clean end, who are facilitating fools who couldn't be trusted to boil water because they'd want to form a commitee to ensure that no cold-water ethusiasts are offended, who hate God, hate America and hate themselves. They didn't get enough love at home and their only reason for existence to get midlessly fornicate, offend and BE offended.

Jesus said "GO and sin NO MORE!" Not go find another baby daddy.

Salvage, go unto thyself

7:43 PM  
Blogger Karin said...


Just imagine if your mom had an abortion when she was pregnant with you...we wouldnt be graced with your stupid comments!
Lucky for us, remember to thank her will ya :)

7:48 PM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

You just think you are a Nazi. You may subscribe to the ideals of the heirarchy of the National Socialist German Labor Party but you are not a member of that defunct organization, so you are not, technically, a Nazi.

Tell me, what is the difference between a fetus, a baby, an infant, a child, an adolescent, an adult, a senior citizen, or a elder? They are ALL humans, just with different designations for their stage of development.

We Catholics, along with many other religions and atheists, believe that life begins at the moment of conception. As an aside, though probably beyond the comprehension of your stunted brain, we Catholics believe -- as an article of Faith -- that the Mother of Christ was conceived without original sin (Her Immaculate Conception). Obviously this privilege existed from the moment of her conception.

Now go visit the pillow fight or whatever that other dolt calls his blog and stop bothering us.

8:03 PM  
Blogger Alli said...

I love the quote (my university's pro-life group is featuring it on their t-shirts this year to satisfy the feminist angle, but whatever) ... "A woman has the right to her own body... even when she's still in the womb."

Ok, that's not verbatim, but it's the basic concept.

PS: Caveman, I'll be at a Certain Parish this Sunday... will you?

10:37 PM  
Blogger Richard said...

I love the "fetus is not a baby" line. It's just a POTENTIAL baby, right? Interestingly, we've never seen a POTENTIAL baby develop into anything else but a baby - as if the room left for it to something else ever allowed its development into a little woodchuck or billy goat.

So, humans incapable of survival on their own or of their own self-consciousness don't really have the human rights of us others? Think of all the money the educational system would save for the real children if we didn't have to deal with all those retarded kids in Special Ed.

12:40 AM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...

If someone says a lie often enough, they believe it. The whole, "The baby is not a person/not human" lie has been chanted like an incantation for so long that even though we all know it's nothing but a filthy lie, folk say it anyway so they can go and act like whores. (Female *and* Male, thank you kindly.)You read that right! Don't expect a warm-fuzzy response from THIS Catholic!

The only reason abortion exists and the only reason "It's not a human" is said is so that our lovely society can run around chasing sex like candy without having to face reality: rampant sexually transmitted diseases that can't be cured, a large and constantly growing class of deeply impovershed single mothers struggling to survive, wanton baby murder, the very sexual objectification of women that the original Sufferagettes tried so hard to fight (and Feminists decried!)...my God in Heaven above, I could go on for at least twenty more paragraphs with all of the absolute CRAP that has resulted from the "Sexual Liberation" of our culture. We've become a society of weaklings. Utter weaklings! We can't keep our pants up and our legs crossed for five minutes! Must...have...sex...can't...last...without...lots...of...sex...because I have no...self control or restraint....

As a society WE ARE A JOKE! No wonder the Muslims think they have a right to wipe us out. I don't agree with the Jihad against us but man, I honestly cannot blame them for looking at us as the Children of Satan as we jump everything that moves and murder our own babies. Hey! Maybe the Jihaddists are being visited upon us for our horrific sins! Things that make you go, "Hmmmm..."

God save us.

Sexual Liberation has given rise to rampant baby killing and a whole class of people that support the idea that a baby is not a human or a person. ARRRG! SO STUPID! **Ripping Hair Out** Sexual Enslavement is more like it. And guess what? Satan hates us and he wants us humans to DISAPEAR. But since he can't do it himself, he's whispered lies into our ears until we've become blind to the truth - and now we are doing the job for him and killing *ourselves* off.

So, to every person out there who either kills a baby by abortion or *supports* the killing of a baby by abortion: congratulations, minion of Satan. Keep up the good work of helping the Evil One to murder your own kind. Pat yourself on the back and get a nice T-shirt that reads, "Pro-Choice: I'm helping Satan extinguish the Human Race."

Here's another one for you, "Pro-Choice and Proud Of It: Have You Hugged A Baby Killer Today?"

Idtios. Couyon! COUYON! Satan has you by the throat and when you are done killing off your own race, the Evil One is going to have a lot of fun burning your murdering ass for all of eternity. In case you don't know that that means: Eternity is a lonnnnng time...and pain really sucks. Just because you don't believe in Satan doesn't mean *he* doesn't believe in you - or your soul.

I can't stand pro-choicers. Come yap at me, ja vas te passe une callotte, Couyon! RRRG! I don't buy your Satanic evil crap for a second. I ain't Politically Correct: You make me SICK. I pray for you but I loathe your sick and twisted "choice" and despise your limp-wristed sissy attempts at justifying baby slaughter. BAD LIBERAL! No biscuit!

3:37 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

We'll see you there!

4:57 AM  
Blogger the Mom said...

I wanted to clarify that the "soul-less" person I was talking about was the Ivy League twit, not the innocent baby.

9:09 PM  
Blogger deb said...

Peter Singer is a disturbed individual. An example of his logic would be a very sick article he wrote entitled Heavy Petting. Look it up, I refuse to link to it. But it is a very gross article that I came across while trying to discover more about Singer for an article on my own blog. This is the man that Havard allows to influence our young people. Things like this make me seriously worried about our culture.

4:52 PM  

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