A Tale Of Two News Stories
Where's all that "obedience to the pope!" I've been hearing about so much of? (Silly me, that only works if you're trashing the SSPX)
Some of article #1 (from Catholic World News) -
Pope Benedict uses older ritual for his private Mass
Vatican, Jul. 16, 2007 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI, who recently issued a motu proprio allowing all Catholic priests to celebrate the old Latin Mass, uses the older ritual himself for his private Mass, CWN has learned.
Informed sources at the Vatican have confirmed reports that the Holy Father regularly celebrates Mass using the 1962 Roman Missal.
Shortly after his election in April 2005, Pope Benedict ordered renovations of the Redemptoris Mater chapel in the apostolic palace. The changes included replacing the free-standing altar at which Pope John Paul celebrated Mass with a longer altar, closer to the rear wall of the chapel and with a tabernacle in the center. The new arrangement allows for the Pope to celebrate Mass in the ad orientem posture required for the older ritual.
Some of Article #2 (from the Wilmington Red Star... oops, the Wilmington Star News)
Papal retreat: Vatican II undone
by Paul Wilkes
With last Saturday's proclamation reinstating the Latin rite Mass, Pope Benedict XVI made the most dramatic statement of his still young papacy and, sadly, has charted a path to a Church that the vast majority of Catholics neither want nor need. Most dramatic until Tuesday, that is, when the Vatican proclaimed that you who attend Protestant - well, we can't call them churches anymore - places, to be "wounded," and obviously second-class Christians.
First the Latin rite. At a time when Catholic priests are already in short supply and overburdened, they will be required to provide a Latin Mass for any "stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition." And if they do not oblige, these "faithful" are encouraged to go to their bishop for redress, and if he is not forthcoming, to the Vatican.
Some would say: So what? Who is harmed by reinstating the Latin mass? There has been a battle in South Carolina over flying the Confederate Flag over the capitol building. Who is harmed, advocates ask? Of course, it is not the valor or sacrifice of Confederate soldiers at stake here, but what the flag has come to signify for many people: racism, bigotry, hatred. The authoritative British Catholic weekly, The Tablet, brands the Latin Mass a "flag of defiance."
I happened to be in a small Midwestern parish when the first papal announcement was made and the visiting priest, whose distinguished 52 years in the priesthood has taken him to Africa, Harlem, the United Nations and scores of parishes, was nonplussed.
"Ridiculous," he said. "I felt the Latin Mass was ridiculous as a young priest when I was mumbling into a wall, set off from the people, and it is even more ridiculous now when we've finally reached a point when people are active participants in this magnificent act of God's love."
The priest saw the edict as the latest in a series of efforts to unravel Vatican II practices, starting with the papacy of John Paul II. "They've killed off the best theologians, made the bishops into frightened schoolboys, and created an atmosphere of reporting minor liturgical infractions that rivals any totalitarian government," he said.
And, as for you Protestants, fear not: We Vatican II Catholics join you in our belief that the one, true God looks out lovingly upon us all, wherever we worship. [emphasis mine]
Note: the Red Star trots out self-proclaimed "Catholic expert" and known dissident, Paul Wilkes, every time they want to trash the Catholic Church. Which is at least weekly.
Where's all that "obedience to the pope!" I've been hearing about so much of? (Silly me, that only works if you're trashing the SSPX)
Some of article #1 (from Catholic World News) -
Pope Benedict uses older ritual for his private Mass
Vatican, Jul. 16, 2007 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI, who recently issued a motu proprio allowing all Catholic priests to celebrate the old Latin Mass, uses the older ritual himself for his private Mass, CWN has learned.
Informed sources at the Vatican have confirmed reports that the Holy Father regularly celebrates Mass using the 1962 Roman Missal.
Shortly after his election in April 2005, Pope Benedict ordered renovations of the Redemptoris Mater chapel in the apostolic palace. The changes included replacing the free-standing altar at which Pope John Paul celebrated Mass with a longer altar, closer to the rear wall of the chapel and with a tabernacle in the center. The new arrangement allows for the Pope to celebrate Mass in the ad orientem posture required for the older ritual.
Some of Article #2 (from the Wilmington Red Star... oops, the Wilmington Star News)
Papal retreat: Vatican II undone
by Paul Wilkes
With last Saturday's proclamation reinstating the Latin rite Mass, Pope Benedict XVI made the most dramatic statement of his still young papacy and, sadly, has charted a path to a Church that the vast majority of Catholics neither want nor need. Most dramatic until Tuesday, that is, when the Vatican proclaimed that you who attend Protestant - well, we can't call them churches anymore - places, to be "wounded," and obviously second-class Christians.
First the Latin rite. At a time when Catholic priests are already in short supply and overburdened, they will be required to provide a Latin Mass for any "stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition." And if they do not oblige, these "faithful" are encouraged to go to their bishop for redress, and if he is not forthcoming, to the Vatican.
Some would say: So what? Who is harmed by reinstating the Latin mass? There has been a battle in South Carolina over flying the Confederate Flag over the capitol building. Who is harmed, advocates ask? Of course, it is not the valor or sacrifice of Confederate soldiers at stake here, but what the flag has come to signify for many people: racism, bigotry, hatred. The authoritative British Catholic weekly, The Tablet, brands the Latin Mass a "flag of defiance."
I happened to be in a small Midwestern parish when the first papal announcement was made and the visiting priest, whose distinguished 52 years in the priesthood has taken him to Africa, Harlem, the United Nations and scores of parishes, was nonplussed.
"Ridiculous," he said. "I felt the Latin Mass was ridiculous as a young priest when I was mumbling into a wall, set off from the people, and it is even more ridiculous now when we've finally reached a point when people are active participants in this magnificent act of God's love."
The priest saw the edict as the latest in a series of efforts to unravel Vatican II practices, starting with the papacy of John Paul II. "They've killed off the best theologians, made the bishops into frightened schoolboys, and created an atmosphere of reporting minor liturgical infractions that rivals any totalitarian government," he said.
And, as for you Protestants, fear not: We Vatican II Catholics join you in our belief that the one, true God looks out lovingly upon us all, wherever we worship. [emphasis mine]
Note: the Red Star trots out self-proclaimed "Catholic expert" and known dissident, Paul Wilkes, every time they want to trash the Catholic Church. Which is at least weekly.
11 Comments:
"We Vatican II Catholics..."
I find it supremely ironic that a term traditionalists have used for years (along with "conciliar catholics) is now embraced by the apostates themselves.
Could this be a triumphant first step towards the door for these people? Let's hope so.
I find it ironic that the same people who are now decrying the Motu Propio are the ones who supported a quick seven years' of hurried reform.
"Mumbling into a wall"?
This guy is a priest and he doesn't believe in the Real Presence?
Yeah, I really wanna hear what he has to say!
Me too. I feel so bad for you folks, that you have heretics like this in your Church.
Yeah, I agree that mumbling into a wall is ridiculous.
Celebrating the Mass of the Ages is not. Are the seminaries so bad, even 50 years ago, that he doesn't know the difference?
And, why on earth would you be a Catholic priest if you thought all religions would lead you equally to God?
And exactly what is he implying, saying they (the regime of PanzerPapa, I assume) killed off the best theologians? Outrageous.
VSO,
No need to feel bad for us, bro! Ever since Our Lady of Akita warned us in 1973 -- "The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church... The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord", I've always known that there would be heretics WITHIN The Church.
What's really sad is that sooooooo many Catholics chose to ignore the warning that Christ sent His mother to give us.
But like I've stated before... if the Prots are pissed and the various EOs are praising Pope Benedict... something must be going right!!
"The authoritative British Catholic weekly, The Tablet,"
This horrible man prefers the pages of the Tablet to the voice of the Pope.
The Tridentine Mass is a "flag of defiance"?
How does the Pope defy...himself?
"the visiting priest, whose distinguished 52 years in the priesthood has taken him to Africa, Harlem, the United Nations
Ahhh, yes, the United Nations. An organisation so corrupt it put Iran and Libya in charge of human rights. An organisation so mired in child abuse it makes Boston look amateurish.
So when the good father thought he was being "ridiculous" what does he think Almighty God thought? Or my parents dutifully following the prayers in their missals right behind him?
Dumbass.
"mumbling into a wall"?????
You mean facing the consecrated altar of God whereupon the bread and wine are changed into the Body and Blood of Christ?
What's that passage from Hebrews the bishop says when giving Holy Orders, "You are priest of the order or Melchizedek forever"? I guess the good Father missed the symbolism.
You see that they are implying that the Church changed doctrine.
Notice that he says "We Vatican II Catholics" as opposed to just "Catholics" who adhere to the teachings of the Church as it was handed down by the Apostles.
Therefore they (or perhaps just the author of this article) think there was a change, a change in doctrine, an evolution if you will. You know what this is called? Modernism.
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