Sunday, December 07, 2008

Random Thought On A Week-End
For no particular reason... they just popped in my head

As I was once corrected by a Stella Artois swillin' aquaintance who's in the salvage business: "Catholics didn't have the Traditional Latin Mass "taken away" from them. Most ran away as fast as they could."And as our own Hail3n1 recently commented; "Who is going to save our Church?
Not our bishops,
not our priests and religious.
It's up to you, the people.
You have the minds, the eyes, the
ears to save the Church.
Your mission is to see that your
priests act like priests,
your bishops like bishops and
your religious act like religious."
~ Archbishop Fulton Sheen


Blogger JACK said...

Bishop Sheen's comment is the TRUE SPIRIT of Vatican II!

10:31 AM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

I have to disagree with your Stella Artois buddy. I don't know if he was there then, I was. Prior to Vat2, regular Sunday Mass attendance was 65% of greater. Back then we had been raised to know that the Catholic Church was the One, True Church and there was no salvation outside of it. Thus, when the Vatican issued statements, we listened. The saying "Rome has spoken" had real significance. So, when we we told the Mass was changing, we went along. At first, during the transition, it was as new for the priests as it was for us. The nonsense and novelties came later. As the successors of Judas Iscariot within the heirarchy started using this transition period to push their own changes -- most of which were never contemplated or intended by the Council Fathers, what did we know? We went along -- Rome had spoken, we thought. Ecumunism started out as an effort to bring back our "fallen brethren" and turned into "one church is as good as another." Then there was the swill that everyone's personal conscience was the premiere law (so why did we need Rome now?). Consequently, there was no sin, so who needed confession? And this doesn't begin to consider the effect the "question authority" generation of the '60s and '70s had as well. The people's (ppriests, religious, and laity) disillusionment brought by these contradictions wasn't far behind. Is it any wonder people stopped going to Mass, or abandoned their vocations?

11:02 AM  
Blogger TCN said...

Well, they didn't run very far. Not without going to confession before they came back, tail between their legs.

I think your buddy has been drinking the Koolaid. We went to Mass because it was what you DID, no matter how you FELT about it. And the ladies among us covered their heads because that's what you DID, no matter how you FELT. And you prayed, and if you didn't want to follow the Mass, you prayed the Rosary, because that's what you DID, no matter how you FELT.

Now it's all about worshiping what I FEEL, instead of God Almighty. So, out with the Mass, in with I'm Okay, You're Okay. Except we aren't, and therein lies the broad road to Perdition.

2:01 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

FAB and TCN,
I believe I may have given the wrong impression about my salvage business buddy. He's actually a Traddie. And a hard core one at that.

When he made that statement to me, I thought of what the demographic was like at your average Novus Ordo hootenanny -- senior citizens who were in their 20's - 30's when the Mass of Paul VI came about. Whooee! Were the shackles unleashed! And boy, did they run with it.

But look at the demographic of your average TLM. Lots and lots and lots of young families, who by the way, are "discovering" what their parents and grandparents, by and large, ran away from.

I should have been clearer. My fault.

Apologies to my Stella Artois swillin' aquaintance.

4:52 PM  
Blogger justanotherbeggar said...

Yet another reason why I love Archbishop Sheen! Great quote, Cavey!

5:14 PM  
Blogger Mac McLernon said...

You've been tagged!

5:45 PM  
Blogger Cookie said...

Sometimes I just want to walk up to an old man or woman at a NO Mass and ask them if they miss the TLM. And not the hippie women in their mid-50s, I'm talking in their 70s, were used to the Mass when it changed, etc.

That'd certainly be an interesting poll... I bet they don't even know there's a TLM just an hour away (or 30 minute away at the Cathedral once a month)...

2:11 PM  

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