Wednesday, February 13, 2008

What Did I Say About Catholicism Dying In Europe/North America?
Here's just another small example

Some of an article from Zenit; (emphasis mine)
Cardinals Hoping for a 5th Marian Dogma
To Declare Mary as Mother of Humanity

ROME, FEB. 11, 2008 ( Five cardinals have sent a letter inviting prelates worldwide to join them in petitioning Benedict XVI to declare a fifth Marian dogma they said would "proclaim the full Christian truth about Mary."

The text, released last week, includes the petition that asks the Pope to proclaim Mary as "the Spiritual Mother of All Humanity, the co-redemptrix with Jesus the redeemer, mediatrix of all graces with Jesus the one mediator, and advocate with Jesus Christ on behalf of the human race."

The signatories of the letter are five of the six cardinal co-sponsors of the 2005 International Symposium on Marian Coredemption, held in Fatima: Cardinal Telesphore Toppo, archbishop of Ranchi, India; Cardinal Luis Aponte Martínez, retired archbishop of San Juan, Puerto Rico; Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil, major archbishop of Ernakulam-Angamaly, India; Cardinal Riccardo Vidal, archbishop of Cebu, Philippines; and Cardinal Ernesto Corripio y Ahumada, retired archbishop of Mexico City.

Cardinal Edouard Gagnon [from Canada], who died last August, was the sixth cardinal co-sponsor of the 2005 conference. He was the president of the Pontifical Council of the Family from 1974 until he resigned in 1990.
Did anyone else notice that all of the Cardinals listed were from Asia or Latin America? The only one listed from Europe/North America, is dead.

How prophetic.


Blogger deb said...

I understand why this is important. But this is going to be really hard to explain to my many Baptist neighbors who are always asking me why Catholics do this or that. LOL

9:39 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Well we also don't understand why your Church has to keep adding new dogmas. Why the constant changes? Where does it end? Father, Son, Holy Ghost and Mother?

11:23 AM  
Blogger monkmcg said...

Speaking of speaking up... did you see what the Russian Orhtodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev said to the World Council of Churches?

Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: Liberal Christianity will not survive for a long time.

Intervention at the opening session of the Central Committee of the World Council of Churches, Geneva, 13 February 2008.

"I would like to draw your attention to the danger of liberal Christianity. The liberalization of moral standards, initiated by some Protestant and Anglican communities several decades ago and developing with ever-increasing speed, has now brought us to a situation where we can no longer preach one and the same code of moral conduct. We can no longer speak about Christian morality, because moral standards promoted by 'traditional' and 'liberal' Christians are markedly different, and the abyss between these two wings of contemporary Christianity is rapidly growing.
We are being told by some allegedly Christian leaders, who still bear the titles of Reverends and Most Reverends, that marriage between a woman and a man is no longer the only option for creating a Christian family, that there are other patterns, and that the church must be 'inclusive' enough to recognize alternative lifestyles and give them official and solemn blessing. We are being told that human life is no longer an unquestionable value, that it can be summarily aborted in the womb, or that one may have the right to interrupt it voluntarily, and that Christian 'traditionalists' should reconsider their standpoints in order to be in tune with modern developments. We are being told that abortion is acceptable, contraception is agreeable, and euthanasia is better still, and that the church must accommodate all these 'values' in the name of human rights.
What, then, is left of Christianity? In the confusing and disoriented world in which we live, where is the prophetic voice of Christians? What can we offer, or can we offer anything at all to the secular world, apart from what the secular world will offer to itself as a value system on which society should be built? Do we have our own value system which we should preach, or should we simply applaud every novelty in public morality which becomes fashionable in the secular society?
I would also like to draw your attention to the danger of a 'politically correct' Christianity, of a Christianity which not only so easily and readily surrenders itself to secular moral standards, but also participates in promoting value systems alien to Christian tradition.
We are facing a paradoxical situation. British secular politicians who share Christian convictions are concerned about the rising Christianophobia in the UK and initiate a debate on this issue in Parliament, calling for recognition of the country's Christian identity. At the same time the primate of the Church of England calls for 'a constructive accommodation with some aspects of Muslim law.'
I am sure I will be told that Christianity must become more tolerant and all-inclusive, that we Christians should no longer insist on our religion as being the only true faith, that we should learn how to adopt other value systems and standards. My question, however, is: when are we going to stop making Christianity politically correct and all-inclusive; why do we insist on accommodating every possible alternative to the centuries-old Christian tradition? Where is the limit, or is there no limit at all?
Many Christians worldwide look to Christian leaders in the hope that they will defend Christianity against the challenges that it faces. It is not our task to defend Sharia law, or to commend alternative lifestyles or to promote secular values. Our holy mission is to preach what Christ preached, to teach what the apostles taught and to propagate what the holy Fathers propagated. It is this witness which people are expecting of us.
I am convinced that liberal Christianity will not survive for a long time. A politically correct Christianity will die. We see already how liberal Christianity is falling apart and how the introduction of new moral norms leads to division, discord and confusion in some Christian communities. This process will continue, while traditional Christians, I believe, will consolidate their forces in order to protect the faith and moral teaching which the Lord gave, the Apostles preached and the Fathers preserved."

I have the link, but I'm not sure how to post it.

12:48 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Where does it end? Father, Son, Holy Ghost and Mother?

That was really uncalled for. If anyone should understand that "co-redemptrix" doesn't mean "equal to", instead, it simply means "with"... I thought you would get it. I was always under the impression that the various Eastern Orthodox acceppted that The Theotokos led souls to her Son (Co-Redemptrix). Guess I was wrong.

Well we also don't understand why your Church has to keep adding new dogmas.

We also don't understand why it's taking so long for your church to get with the program concerning Mary. The only dogma you have concerning her is the hypostasis. So much for her perpetual virginity/sinlessness, Assumption, Queenship in heaven, 'eh?

As far as "keep adding to"? Four Marian dogmas in 2,000 years. That hardly equates to "keep adding to".

Why the constant changes?
What changes? Can you point out even one change we've made to any of our dogmas.

6:18 PM  

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