Saturday, May 19, 2007

Not Quite The Devil-Worshipping Monsters We Were All Led To Believe, Huh?
They're actually quite cuddly

Far from being some exceedingly minor Vatican bureaucrat, Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos, in an interview with the Mexican news agency Notimex has stated (with regard to the SSPX) the following;

"They are not schismatics, the priests are under a suspension for illicit exercise, and the Bishops are excommunicated because the ordination of new bishops without a permission from Rome received this punishment latæ sententiæ."

Hmmm... you mean the SSPX really isn't schismatic??!! And, at worse, their bishops are in the same category as those of the various Eastern Orthodox?!

I for one, find it amazing the absolute hatred that has been spewing forth from the yaps of many a "progressive" priest/crazy nun/Prot-wannabe member of the laity since the 1970's concerning the SSPX. Seriously... you can almost see the hatred dripping from their lips.

Gee, I wonder why the Ecu-Maniacs in The Church haven't "reached out" to the SSPX? They'll "dialouge" all day and night with moslems, hindus, Tierra Del Fuegan Turd-Worshippers, etc... but the SSPX? As they say in Brooklyn ~ fugeddaboudit.

I tell ya... to listen to Father Limpwrist & Friends, you'd think that a rather small number of SSPX priests were molesting little boys, but most of their bishops were protecting them. Oops, I just confused the SSPX with the USCCB.


Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

Great post and something the unlearned need to be reminded of regularly (as Vatican officials have more than once said SSPX is NOT is schism).

As for the small number of SSPX priests -- the "progressive" priests/crazy nuns/Prot-wannabe members of the laity better stand back. Vocations are pouring in to FSSP, SSPX, and Institute of Christ (to the point many have to been turned away), while the lukewarm if not downright heretical orders and diocese see their seminary dwindle or close down.

BTW, one can always learn something here at the cave. For example, until now I had never heard of the cult known as the "Tierra Del Fuegan Turd-Worshippers."!!!!!! LOL!

10:57 AM  
Blogger James S Blenkinsopp said...

As to ecumenical relations with the SSPX, it has been stated by Vatican officials that the SSPX does not fall into the category for ecumenical outreach because they have not officially been excommunicated. The Vatican states that the situation of the SSPX is an "internal matter of discipline," and indicates that the SSPX is at most in an irregular position. Canon Law seems to support the actions of Archbishop Lefebvre pretty well, hence the irregularity rather than official excommunication; Rome is well aware that they cannot uphold the decree of excommunication of the SSPX because of Canon Law.

11:41 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Yep, I think the self-proclaimed "liberal catholic" church down the road was doing a TDFTW Outreach the other day.

I missed it. Damn the luck!

Thanks for the info! I was already aware of such... my comments are just me being my typical rhetorical (read: smart-ass) self.

As we all know, if it wasn't for Abp Lefevbre, the Latin Mass would be dead and gone.

One daythat man will be elevated to the altar.

12:09 PM  
Blogger Dymphna said...

This is something that needs to be repeated and then repeated some more. If we can dialouge (what the heck does that mean anyway?) with non Christians why can't the SSPX folks be treated with some kindness?

2:27 PM  
Blogger Coffee Wife said...

We have a wonderful community of SSPX Redemtorist monks on one of our Orkney Islands here in Scotland called, "Papa Stronsay" (Old word meaning island where the Priests lived from ancient monastic days. They took over an ancient monastic site.)

3:28 PM  
Blogger Bernie said...

Are you aware of the jew-hatred prattle of Bishop Williamson, SSPX?
His denial of the Holocaust?

Are you aware of Marcel Lefebvre's support of the Vichy government in France?

This tells me all I need to know about the SSPX.

12:08 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Are you aware of the jew-hatred prattle of Bishop Williamson, SSPX?
His denial of the Holocaust?

Yep. And Bp Williamson is doing his level best to alienate himself from most of the clerics and religious of the SSPX, as well as most of the laity who attend Mass as SSPX Chapels. Personally, I think politically.... he's a nut. So what's your point, Bernie?

Are you aware of Marcel Lefebvre's support of the Vichy government in France?

And so did 90% of the French Military, as well as most of the French people. Should I even bring up the SS Charlemange Division? And let's not forget that our very own Holy Father was a member of the Wehrmacht. So what's your point, Bernie?

7:30 AM  
Blogger Paul, just this guy, you know? said...

Are you aware of the gay-loving prattle of Archbishop Flynn? His silencing of Fr. Altier?

Are you aware of Cardinal George's open toleration of pro-abortion Catholic polticians in Chicago?

This tells me all I need to know about the USCCB.

1:33 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Archbishop Flynn's days are numbered. I work for the church -well kind of- and I'm getting a new boss, an orthodox bishop who aint afraid of not being liked, and I think the ban on Fr. Altier will be lifted.

But yeah Cavey, I too think Bp. Williamson is a wing-nut.

Say Cavey, why do you suppose that the NWO hates Abp. Lefevbre with a passion yet keeps coming on to Odox like me like Mrs. Robinson? I mean that the SPPX beef with modernism and ecumenicism is the same one the we have and yet their attitude is that we "just don't know" we're part of their Church whereas SPPXer's must die? Any thoughts?

7:24 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

I honestly believe that the "Spirit of Vatican II" set back any chance for regularization between Catholicism and Orthodoxy at least 100 years.

The penduluum is starting to swing the other way, and eventually, this rift between brothers will end... as well as our 40 year flirtation with Protestantism.

3:15 PM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

"as well as our 40 year flirtation with Protestantism."

Well said. Amen!

8:44 PM  
Blogger Digital said...

I'm sure SSPX is thrilled to have you for their spokes-hominids. How is it that SSPX is different than protestants again?

9:37 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

How is it that SSPX is different than protestants again?

Oh, gee... all the stuff in the news kinda gives it away. The meetings between The Holy Father (and Cardinal Castrillion) with SSPX reps, etc, etc.

It's been in all the papers. Haven't you seen the articles? Or have you just chosen to be blind?Hmmmmmm?

You're either too obstinant or too stupid to recognize the obvious. Could you possibly be both? Yeah.... you could be.

5:21 AM  

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