Are They Even In The Same Church?
For some queer reason, I don't think so
DENVER, Colorado, December 14, (LifeSiteNews.com) - Catholics who experience homosexual attraction are called to face the challenge of living celibately, said Fr. John Harvey, founder of Courage, a Catholic ministry that offers help and support to men and women with homosexual inclinations.
So how exactly does Fr. Harvey lead homosexuals to the correct answer as Catholics?
“So the answer is, simply, learn how to get back to Christ, how to lead a good life without marriage — how to train yourself to be a celibate person and lead a good life.”
Homosexuality is an “objective disorder”, Fr. Harvey said, because it can never lead to the fundamental purposes of sex--union between a man and a woman and the potential procreation of children.
Now we come to the good folks at something called the Catholic Community of St. Francis in Raleigh, NC. I guess calling themselves a parish is just a little too Catholic.
But anyhow, "we reach out to provide spiritual nourishment for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people (what, nothing about bestiality or necrophiliacs? FOR SHAME!) and their families and friends. We seek to affirm the intrinsic value and self-worth of all people and to welcome them into full participation in the faith community."
So how exactly do the folks at the St. Francis so-called "gay and lesbian ministry" lead homosexuals to the correct answer as Catholics?
They set up a booth annually at both the N.C. Pride and the Gay Film Festival. And they went all out and set-up another booth at the Gay Pride festivities at Duke University.
No where do they mention abstinence. Never do they bring up living celibately. They list all sorts of sodomite-friendly "resources" available, but nary a word of Fr. Harvey's Courage Apostolate.
Ohhhhh.... I get it now, they purposefully went to the NC Pride gathering, the Gay Film Festival, and the Duke Gay Pride ceremonies to tell everyone that abstinence/celibacy are the correct course of action, because after all, the Teaching of Holy Mother the Church is that homosexuality is an “objective disorder".
If you believe that, I've got a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.
Shame on everyone in the Diocese of Raleigh that allows this slap in the face of The Church to continue.
For some queer reason, I don't think so
DENVER, Colorado, December 14, (LifeSiteNews.com) - Catholics who experience homosexual attraction are called to face the challenge of living celibately, said Fr. John Harvey, founder of Courage, a Catholic ministry that offers help and support to men and women with homosexual inclinations.
So how exactly does Fr. Harvey lead homosexuals to the correct answer as Catholics?
“So the answer is, simply, learn how to get back to Christ, how to lead a good life without marriage — how to train yourself to be a celibate person and lead a good life.”
Homosexuality is an “objective disorder”, Fr. Harvey said, because it can never lead to the fundamental purposes of sex--union between a man and a woman and the potential procreation of children.
Now we come to the good folks at something called the Catholic Community of St. Francis in Raleigh, NC. I guess calling themselves a parish is just a little too Catholic.
But anyhow, "we reach out to provide spiritual nourishment for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people (what, nothing about bestiality or necrophiliacs? FOR SHAME!) and their families and friends. We seek to affirm the intrinsic value and self-worth of all people and to welcome them into full participation in the faith community."
So how exactly do the folks at the St. Francis so-called "gay and lesbian ministry" lead homosexuals to the correct answer as Catholics?
They set up a booth annually at both the N.C. Pride and the Gay Film Festival. And they went all out and set-up another booth at the Gay Pride festivities at Duke University.
No where do they mention abstinence. Never do they bring up living celibately. They list all sorts of sodomite-friendly "resources" available, but nary a word of Fr. Harvey's Courage Apostolate.
Ohhhhh.... I get it now, they purposefully went to the NC Pride gathering, the Gay Film Festival, and the Duke Gay Pride ceremonies to tell everyone that abstinence/celibacy are the correct course of action, because after all, the Teaching of Holy Mother the Church is that homosexuality is an “objective disorder".
If you believe that, I've got a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.
Shame on everyone in the Diocese of Raleigh that allows this slap in the face of The Church to continue.
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
4:43 PM
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It's things like this that led an orthodox priest to tell a friend of mine that Bishop Burbidge has one of the two toughest episcopal jobs in America (the other being San Antonio's Abp. Gomez). There's so much mess to clean up that I bet he doesn't even know where to start. We should pray for him...
Chad,
Like I've posted before on this blog, I'm a cautious supporter of Bishop Burbidge. All he has to do is tell the pastor of St Francis to bring his G&L "ministry" into the correct teachings of the Catholic Church.
If Father Limpwrist fails to do so, then the bishop can easily replace him with a priest that will do such.
Maybe I'm being overly simplistic, but is my solution really that hard?
It will be over soon, thank God.
Thanks for your comment on my Blog, Caveman. Charleston was a wonderful city in which to grow up, convert to Catholicism, and be formed in the faith. The Church is alive, well, and beautiful in that city. What parish did your wife attend?
Also, where are you located? You speak often, it seems, of our poor Church here in Raleigh. Though, perhaps that's because any Catholic with a conscience, no matter his geographical location, would be concerned for our Church here in Raleigh.
You probably know this already, but Bishop Burbidge inadvertently scheduled his pastoral visits to St. Francis of Assisi (LGBT land) and Sacred Heart (Tridentine-indult parish, where he'll be attending the Latin Mass) for the same day in January. He's laughing about it already. Talk about whiplash.
I didn't know that the Franciscans were at Duke for Duke Pride Day. Was that last year? I remember the event itself (it was across from my dorm, and all the East Campus streets were closed), but for SOME REASON, I didn't think that there would be Catholic religious in attendance, so I didn't venture over to look for them. Were they in habit, do you know? I can't decide which I'd rather. What ridiculous, unnecessary scandal, in addition to every other reason that they shouldn't have been there.
They wonder why there's a "Vocation Shortage". Who would want to live in the same seminary space with these weirdos.
DKD3,
My wife didn't convert until after we got married (and she left Charleston).
And I'm in the Raleigh Diocese as well. Cape Fear Deanery, Wilmington to be specific.
And it wasn't the Franciscans who were at the Duke Sodom-o-rama, it was the fudgepacker ministry from St. Francis that was there. Go to their link (that is on this post) and you'll get all the skinny.
I look fwd to seeing you at Sacred Heart in Jan!
Dominus Tecum,
The Caveman
I'll be at Sacred Heart in January as well, with a little delegation from the NC Zoo, otherwise known as Chapel Hill.
As for your solution, Caveman, I dunno. Sounds great, but what I worry about is the sheer lack of orthodox priests in our diocese. If he shifts one to St. Francis, then who's going to fill the gap elsewhere but one of the liberal nutcases? Maybe patience is needed--if Bishop B. pushes vocations as hard in the future as he is now, we'll have plenty of new, young, orthodox priests in years to come.
And St. Francis isn't the only hotspot--I noticed the other month that all the staff offices at the Newman Center at UNC have the inverted rainbow triangles on the door, declaring them to be "Safe Zones" for you-know-whos. The lovely new sculpture outside the front door of Newman also has, among its engraved list of dispossessed peoples, LGBTQQI...
among its engraved list of dispossessed peoples, LGBTQQI
WHAT!!?? They left out the goat-pokers and the necropheliacs??
FOR SHAME!!!!!!
Seriously, if a parish ot two have to be shut down temporarily, then so be it. I drive many, many, many miles to go to a decent parish, rather than that joke right down the street (Innacurate Deception in Carolina Beach).
That may be a good test of faith for some.... are they willing to actually drive 45 mins to an hour to attend Mass?
After all, Chad, souls are in the balance. Those in positions of power simply cannot allow scandal and error to fester. It's their duty as shepherds to safeguard the flock and kill the wolves.
Good points.
I started to complain that the "no priest is better than a bad priest" mentality is risky, but then I realized that it's more a problem of convenience. We're not talking about a situation where folks will have no access to the Sacraments. Like you said, will people drive an hour to attend Mass if need be? Some will, I suspect a whole lot won't.
But, then again, I would be willing to bet that the same fraction that wouldn't drive further to go to Mass are the same fraction that persist in receiving the Eucharist despite having not been to Confession in a very long time, so perhaps they'd be better off.
At the end of the day, though, I'd be willing to bet you a large sum of money that Bishop Burbidge at most shuffles priests around and/or orders them to stop teaching error. The latter would be great in theory, but since he can't be there to watch their every move...
A complaint simply about the outreach to homosexuals as a lay ministry at St. Francis as being irreligious is answered in Matthew 9:11.
The single requirement to belong to the Catholic Church is that one must be a sinner. Gays meet the requirement; to complain about their inclusion seem a bit un-Catholic to me.
However, concern on the catachesis given to these homosexuals is valid. OK, pray for more and better priests. But you, as a lay person, can get in the game and make a difference.
You can help insure the faith is communicated to all newcomers, especially the children, correctly. See the Director of Religious Education at your parish and volunteer to be a catechist. The shortage of willing catechists almost guarantees you won’t be turned down or even vetted by the DRE. If you have the time and talent, follow diocesan guidelines and get certified as a Master Catechist.
Don’t let closing your parish become an option. A passive complaining laity murmuring from the stands (pews) is no longer enough. Take the field. If the marching band refuses to move, write the bishop. If the faith is hi-jacked by extremists, it will be because we didn’t do our part.
Peligrinus
(I’m not a blogger and “anonymous” seemed the only way to register, so call me Peligrinus.)
Pel,
I'm all for loving the sinner, but hating the sin.
The good folks at St Francis obviously have a tough time understanding what sin is. "Dictatorship of relativism" hard at work?
As far as closing parishes (or even entire diocese are concerned), The Church has done such in the past in cases of extreme gravity.
With the way The Church is being run, especially in W. Europe and N. America... possibly a few diocese shut down would be fruitful.
IR,
Maronite Rite, correct?
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