Wednesday, June 28, 2006

By Just One Vote
And why Catholics should be outraged

As we all know by now, the US Senate failed to pass, by a single vote, a proposal which would have let Congress ban the desecration of the flag of the United States.

Those in favor of flag burning vary from the "it's a right to free speech" crowd, to those that say that the flag is nothing more than a mere symbol.

To me and millions of others, desecrating the American flag is the moral equivalent of defecating on a photograph of someone's mother. You just don't do that.

But hey... a picture of someone's momma is nothing more than a chemically treated piece of paper, right? Isn't it my right to poop on a pic of mammy and pappy? Or at least, a pic is just a symbol, right?

But anyhow... from the Catholic perspective. We sometimes have non-Catholics ask us about the statuary in our churches. The short answer is; "we love what that statue represents". We don't "love" the statue itself. It's nothing more than a few bits of lumber and plaster thrown together to form a crucifix... chunk of concrete or marble fashioned into the image of a Saint. It's what they represent that we love.

How many Catholics would defecate on a Crucifix.... urinate on a photograph of The Holy Mother... burn a wooden statue of our Patron Saint? The answer's obvious. And the same applies to Americans and our flag.

Personally, I could care less about bunch of woven thread. But I sure do love my flag.

Vir Speluncae Catholicus
MSgt USMC (ret)

18 Comments:

Blogger Petrus Radii said...

Well, personally, although dishonouring or defiling a Nation's flag ("desecration" is improper, as it refers to sacred objects) is traditionally considered a war-like act, and its perpetrators deserve to be locked in the public stocks for three weeks at a time, I'm very reluctant to see a Constitutional Amendment as the best solution to the problem. Sort of like killing a chigger with a mortar round. Not an inappropriate death for those little monsters, but prone to excessive collateral damage.

I think a better solution is to drag five of the Supreme Court (In)Justices out into the street and publicly flog them, whereupon they should suffer slow hanging until dead. (Oops! Hope the Ministry of Truth isn't listening in!) That should put some sense back into those parasites in Washington trying to run our lives. But, if that seems unrealistic, we could just do the same to the Quisling Senator who waited till the end to cast his Nay vote. One less slug in the world.

By the way, Catholic Caveman, thanks for your service to our Country! I am myself a recovering pacifist. I try to make up for it by subscribing to my dad's philosophy. My Daddy always sez, you cain't never have too many guns!

7:19 PM  
Blogger A. Carlton Sallet said...

It's time for States to respect the right to desecrate the flag and pass the following laws:

"Where a person commits an assault or battery upon another person by reason that the victim had desecrated the American flag, the person committing the offence is liable to a fine of 50 cents, notwithstanding any other sentencing provisions in this penal code."

Or something like that.

9:29 PM  
Blogger Screwtape said...

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1:50 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Sam,
In a period of slightly more than one month, almost 7,000 Marines died on Iwo Jima for that flag and what it stands for. That hardly qualifies as a "cliche".

5:24 AM  
Blogger Gaufridus said...

While I appreciate the fact that a flag is dear to many, I would hesitate to grant a greater degree of protection to it, rather than, say, the Faith. So, to me it is a matter of indifference as to whether or not someone burns the flag, since the government of the US does not protect sacred relics, for instance.

God and His honor comes first; all else is secondary.


Semper fi,

G^2

6:04 AM  
Anonymous Zie Hammer said...

Iwo Jima! Yes. I always knew I didn't like flag burners.. but when I saw it first hand, I was ready to kill or severly beat. Those bumbs should be cained and then deported to the middle east and never allowed back in the country.

7:16 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

GG,
I'm not equating the flag to Sacred relics... simply drawing a parellel

11:19 AM  
Blogger Screwtape said...

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7:30 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Sam,
I'm almost impressed by your ability to cut and paste.

John Wayne made the movie half a century ago.

What does that have to do with anything. I don't recall ever mentioning John Wayne, Johnny Cash, nor the motion picture Sands of Iwo Jima at all in my post. For the life of me, I can't understand why you cling to them as a drowning man would to a sword.

Are you inable to seperate the reality of the Battle of Iwo Jima, from the fantasy of a Hollywood film? I wonder...

For whatever strange reason, you keep focusing on things I never even mentioned... I happen to be focusing on the sacrifices made for the American flag and everything it stands for during that particular battle.

You on the other hand, have an argument that is coming from WAY out in left field.


Befuddle

be·fud·dle
Pronunciation: bi-'f&-d&l
Function: transitive verb

1 : to muddle or stupefy with or as if with drink
2 : CONFUSE, PERPLEX
- be·fud·dle·ment /-m&nt/ noun

I think Sam needs to learn to focus on the topic at hand before opening his mouth.

8:10 PM  
Blogger Gaufridus said...

Caveman,

I dont see the parallel. I see outrage at "flag burning", which pales in comparison to the fact that our government is absolutely indifferent -- if not outright hostile -- to the Faith.

So, in my opinion, it is a matter of priorities. What is the more urgent issue: protecting the flag from burning or protecting the Faith from being all-but-outlawed?

I'd rather see a Constitutional Amendment that upholds the Catholic Faith -- "without which it is impossible to please God" -- than worry about flag-burning.

But, then that's just me...

9:57 PM  
Blogger Screwtape said...

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2:24 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

I was going to dissect your rant, until I read your comment about one of the flag raisers on Mt. Suribachi. PFC Ira Hayes is just a "drunken Indian"?

SAM, you need to go to Confession... and quick. I'll be damned if you refer to ANY of those Marines in a derogitory way.

On other posts, you have referred to Pope John Paul as simply "Wojtyla". Personally, I find much of what Pope John Paul did to be flat out destructive to the Catholic Church, but he was still the valid, legitimate Pontoff of the Holy Catholic Church. Your snide comments smack of sedevacantism.

At first, I found your posts slightly amusing. Then they went to strange. As for now... look behind you, see that line you just stepped over?

Know this Sam, any further posts by you will be deleted. You simply aren't welcome here any longer.

*YAWN* I grow bored with you... toddle off, laddie.

5:10 AM  
Blogger Tim said...

Burning a flag is protected speach, but burning a cross is not. Supreme Court logic.

4:20 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

GG,
Point well taken concerning urinating on the flag, and the failure of gov't to protect our Faith. To a very large degree, I agree with you.

With that said, because the gov't fails to protect Holy Mother the Church, that doesn't denote that I sit by uber-pissed and watch the flag get burned by flat-out anti-American hippie scum.


TIM,
Damn straight, bro.

4:45 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

I had to delete SAM's last comment. He thinks I'm somehow suppose to give a damn about his opinion.

Poor old befuddled guy. Sad, really.

6:43 PM  
Blogger Gaufridus said...

VSC,

Well, I'm glad you do agree to a very large degree.

You see -- and this is strictly my opinion -- it is hard for me to get worked up over someone desecrating the flag of a government that allows "Piss Christ" and the dung-covered Madonna & child to be displayed in major metropolitan museums.

Is that what we're risking life and limb to protect?

If you havent already done so, I recommend you read "The Sword of Christendom". It gives some pretty good insights on the nature of true Catholic patriotism.


S/f,

G^2

7:18 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Well, I'm glad you do agree to a very large degree.

I aim to please. I'm glad you're glad... to a very large degree.

5:56 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

it is hard for me to get worked up over someone desecrating the flag of a government that allows "Piss Christ" and the dung-covered Madonna & child to be displayed in major metropolitan museums.

Is that what we're risking life and limb to protect?


GG, in spite of those abhorrations, well... I think it was Chesterton who said something aling the lines of "even if she's a drunk, I still love my mother".

(I'll dig for the actual quote later)

6:15 AM  

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