Bishops Discuss Tridentine Mass
Pretty incredible stuff
Two American bishops were recently interviewed concerning their opinions of The Traditional Latin Mass. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Neb. and Bishop Álvaro Corrada, SJ, of Tyler, Texas had some rather... shocking, shall I say, things to say.
Even though I disagree with some of the opinions of Bishop Bruskewitz and I think that he does sometimes puts the cart before the horse. But nonetheless, check out some of these quotes;
"...I think the Tridentine rite can serve as a corrective to abuses sometimes [for the Novus Ordo]."
"We're in the middle of the disintegration of the Latin rite. You have drum beating in Africa and you have lots of bowing in Japan. This inculturation is really making a sub-rite division of the Latin rite."
"The unification of the Latin rite, if it is going to be maintained as a unit, will probably depend largely on the Tridentine rite."
Bishop Corrada had some interesting things to say as well;
"Some families have more preference for this [1962 missal and sacraments], and I am very open to that."
"I have given permission, and I will give permission, to any priest who wants to say the liturgy according to the 1962 missal. One thing that I would want to see would be, 'Are the priests ready to do so?' So I would require proper training for it in both the Latin and the rite itself — the Latin and the rubrics."
WHAT!!?? A bishop will ensure that his diocesan priests are correctly trained to celebrate the Latin Mass?
These are things that we would have NEVER heard spoken in public during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II. I don't want to get carried away with all the rumors concerning the Traditional Latin Mass in general, and the SSPX specifically. But ya gotta admit, there sure are a lot of smoke signals on the horizon.
Pretty incredible stuff
Two American bishops were recently interviewed concerning their opinions of The Traditional Latin Mass. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Neb. and Bishop Álvaro Corrada, SJ, of Tyler, Texas had some rather... shocking, shall I say, things to say.
Even though I disagree with some of the opinions of Bishop Bruskewitz and I think that he does sometimes puts the cart before the horse. But nonetheless, check out some of these quotes;
"...I think the Tridentine rite can serve as a corrective to abuses sometimes [for the Novus Ordo]."
"We're in the middle of the disintegration of the Latin rite. You have drum beating in Africa and you have lots of bowing in Japan. This inculturation is really making a sub-rite division of the Latin rite."
"The unification of the Latin rite, if it is going to be maintained as a unit, will probably depend largely on the Tridentine rite."
Bishop Corrada had some interesting things to say as well;
"Some families have more preference for this [1962 missal and sacraments], and I am very open to that."
"I have given permission, and I will give permission, to any priest who wants to say the liturgy according to the 1962 missal. One thing that I would want to see would be, 'Are the priests ready to do so?' So I would require proper training for it in both the Latin and the rite itself — the Latin and the rubrics."
WHAT!!?? A bishop will ensure that his diocesan priests are correctly trained to celebrate the Latin Mass?
These are things that we would have NEVER heard spoken in public during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II. I don't want to get carried away with all the rumors concerning the Traditional Latin Mass in general, and the SSPX specifically. But ya gotta admit, there sure are a lot of smoke signals on the horizon.
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
3:40 PM
8 Comments:
Gosh! A bishop who thinks it is important that priests be properly trained in the Latin Rite before they celebrate it. What a clever idea! So unlike the current way of doing business where the priests receive minimal training and get to make up the rest of the Mass as they go along, or simply follow the script prepared by some liturgical committee.
Your remarks about Bp. Bruskewitz are interesting.
The more you read of his writing, and listen (carefully) to his remarks, the more it's clear that he is a thinker...not a reactionary.
Further, his thought patterns are consonant with those of the Popes. He's studied them carefully and very well.
At least, that's the way they seem to me. Fair disclosure: I know the Bishop (not well.) We've spoken on a lot of occasions, both during his time here in MIlwaukee and since he's been in Lincoln.
Your remarks are interesting as well.
I did find the bishop's attempt at "excommunicating" members of the laity who attended Mass as celebrated by the SSPX to be quite reactionary.
As far as his thought patterns being constant with "the popes", well.. maybe just those since V2. I've made no secret of my thoughts and opinions of the Mass of Paul VI.
At least, that's the way they seem to me.
Well, Cavey, some SSPX rhetoric gets downright protestant in it's tenor, even if it is in the embrace of perceived tradition. So the Latae Sententiae that Fabian threw down on persistent members of Call to Action, Catholics for a Free Choice, et al is just as applicable to SSPX Trads that thumb their noses at the Vatican. It's just to be fair.
JimBobby,
Please keep in mind that there is already a precident in place that *laity* that attend Mass said by the SSPX cannot be excommunicated (The Honolulu 7, for one). Also Monsignor Perl of Ecclesia Dei has already stated that one fulfills his Sunday obligation by attending said Mass.
C'mon, bro... let's not compare the SSPX to Call To Action or Catholics For A Free Choice. One group defends everything Catholic, the others reject everything Catholic.
Bp. Bruskewitz was flat out wrong for lumping the laity of the SSPX with the modern day luthers.
By the way... anyone have any scoop if the so-called "excommunications" have been recognized by Rome? I do know that when the Archbishop of Honolulu attempted such, Rome shot it down saying that the writ "lacked substance and validity" or words to that effect.
I have twice contacted the Diocese of Lincoln asking the status of such... and for some odd reason, I never get an answer. Hmmm...
Well, are sacraments celebrated by a priest, or bishop, that has been excommunicated valid AND licit (in accord with Rome)? I don't have time right now to dig on that one, but it's an issue. If there is no difference, then why is it such a big deal if SSPX regains communion with Rome, but not to re-establish valid and licit sacraments from SSPX priests?
Jimbob,
You're right... this is a huge mess.
I know that I'm oversimplifying this, but I honestly believe that Rome realizes that the rush to moderninity was a huge f#@*&%g mistake.
People don't want novelty or fads. We want something that's concrete and absolute.
That's why the Regularization will take place, IMHO.
In the meantime, it sure will be interesting to see how this all turns out, 'eh?
Actually, Bishop Bruskewitz has been saying things like that for a long time now. Back in 2004 he put an imprimatur on the Baronius Press (in association with the FSSP) 1962 missal of the Traditional Roman Rite. That was during the pontificate of John Paul II.
I'm curious as to what you would disagree with him about. The only thing I can possibly think of would be his demand that faithful Catholics in his diocese remain obedient to their local ordinary and not involve themselves with a collection of sedevacanists and schismatics who bad mouth the pope. I know lumping the SSPX fanatics who plagued his diocese with Masons and Call to Action really ruffled some feathers, but Bishop Bruskewitz is a straight shooter and states the truth without alloy.
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