Priest Calls ‘Em as He Sees ‘Em
Paraphrases Rev. 3:16 During Moment of Prophecy
Nine members of a New Mexico family are suing the local Catholic church over a funeral Mass at which the priest allegedly said their relative was going straight to hell.
The family of Ben Martinez, 80, claim that Father Scott Mansfield said he was "living in sin," "lukewarm in his faith" and that "the Lord vomited people like Ben out of his mouth to hell." (Sounds like Fr. Mansfield is a Caveman, to me!)
Around 200 people attended the funeral for Martinez, a local town official, at St Patrick's Parish in Chama, New Mexico last month.
Instead of immediately fasting and praying for old Ben’s soul, just in case the good Father was mistaken, the Martinez family is seeking punitive and compensatory damages for severe emotional and physical suffering.
posted by Anonymous at
12:17 AM
11 Comments:
If he somehow made it to Purgatory they aren't doing much for him!
Truth is hard to handle at times. Perhaps Father Scott should have recommended the fasting and prayers as a healing exercise? The chaplet of Divine Mercy would have been good.
The priest must have attended a seminar at the Pat Robertson School Of Christian Discourse.
I don't know, Greedy, if lying to them would have been of any spiritual service. If the deceased was an unrepentant sinner up to his death, than the priest is obligated to tell his family exactly where he's going to make sure that they don't follow him there. Apparently, they don't want to hear the truth, which is predictable these days:
"But Jesus turning to them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.
"For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.'
"Then they will begin TO SAY TO THE MOUNTAINS, 'FALL ON US,' AND TO THE HILLS, 'COVER US.'
"For if they do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?"
Suing a priest because you didn't like what he had to say. Only in America. A few years ago, a Baptist preacher was sued for the same thing.
I hate lawyers.
~ Jay Anderson, Esq.
What exactly was the severe physical suffering, I wonder?
"I hate lawyers.
~ Jay Anderson, Esq."
Amen, Jay. I would hate even being in the same room with lawyers.
~ Rhonda Lugari, Court Reporter
Physical suffering? Oh, I'm sure their lawyer made sure they vomited from being so distressed and reminded them about the nightmares they've had since the funeral
Stupid lawsuit, stupid thing to say at a funeral mass.
My mother was an alcoholic who drank herself to death. I am reasonably certain that she did not die in a state of grace.
But I don't know if she went to hell; no one on earth knows. I pray for her, I devoted a plenary indulgence to her.
At her funeral mass, the priest spoke of how God's mercy was even powerful enough to preserve my mother. Without making any promises, or telling me that how she lived was just fine, he offered me hope.
The priest in this case should have found a way to deliver a similar message with the goal of re-focusing the living on God and their relationships with Him.
That said, it's a stupid lawsuit that should be thrown out.
It is difficult to hear the truth, I battle with this daily with my own family members and I am persecuted because I have opened my eyes to the WORD OF GOD. It is difficult for my own family to understand this and so I pray for their conversion daily. I hope and pray for the conversion of the whole human race. Father Mansfield was speaking truth and truth doesn't sit well with anyone, because we live for the moments here on Earth not for the eternal salvation that is to come from living God's commandments. As many of my family members would like to do is amend the commandments to fit their life style, but the reality is we don't compromise on God's love or his laws. God Bless all who speak Truth, and do continue to pray for all souls who have left this world because we do not know the hour. We also do not know if their was true repentance from the deceased, and prayerfully we live with hope that their was.
Well, first of all, the man the so called "priest" said was "vomitted to Hell" wasn't that bad after all. He did own a local bar in town, but if you ask anyone in town (me being one of them) he wasn't a bad person. For example, every year for lent, he would make it a rule that there would be no dances at his bar during this fasting time.
As for the priest, he denied everything that he said. I thought that bearing false witness was a sin, but I guess not to this man. Because of him, a local deacon was removed from the parish because he did not back up the priest when he lied about his sermon. The deacon in study was removed his position because he "failed to support Father Mansfield as the pastor."
So, in my opinion, the deceased person condemned to hell could have been a bad person, or he couldn't have. The fact is that no one has the power to condemn anyone to hell. The only person one can condemn is themselves. Since the priest did say that he was "vomitted to hell" in front of at least 150 people, then he should be ableto back it up. But whatever, instead of condemning others, the priest should look at himself.
Anon,
First off, the priest never said that Mr. Martinez was in hell. What he said was that The Lord "vomited people like" that to hell.
Was, in fact, Mr. Martinez living in sin? Was he unrepentant unto death?
Last time I checked, people who were unrepentant went to hell. That isn't exactly a new dogma.
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