Sunday, January 31, 2010

The "Spirit" Of Luther Is Alive & Well...
And not just in The States

My Bestest Brit Buddy, good ol' Mac over at Mulier Fortis has been posting about her taking on England's premier group of Roman Protestants, better known as StandUp4Vatican2.

Other than being unable to spell, the gaggle over at StandUp4Vatican2 also link to such wonderful groups as CCC. Here's just a taste of what those whack-a-doos believe;

Catholics for a Changing Church, earlier known as the Catholic Renewal Movement, began as a protest movement against Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI’s encyclical in 1968, in which artificial means of contraception were banned.And yet another bag of fruits and nuts better known as We Are Church. Here's some of their nonsense;

Since his death [Cardinal Hume] in 1999 modern technology has made it possible for Rome to increasingly display 'Big Brother' characteristics in its quest for control.Anyone who looks into The Second Vatican Council with even a shred of objectivity will soon realize that we simply don't "have to believe in everything in Vatican II", as I've heard from the pulpit in two different diocese.


Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

I know hardly anything about these groups, but I suspect that they are old farts, like me, only this old fart is not in their camp. They will likely continue to be troublesome for a while, but since all living things die, eventually they and their (bowel) movement will end up in the sewer where they/it belong(s).

11:27 AM  
Blogger Old Bob said...

I am too old to be one of those old farts: I got my grade school and high school education before Vatican II even began. I remember very well that it was intended to be a pastoral council, definitely not a dogmatic council. That said, some of the hare-brains who "interpreted" the council at the parish (or Newman Center) level were plenty dogmatic in their (sometimes spoken) insistence that the Church was a mess before Vatican II. I could tell you stories . . . .

1:28 PM  
Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

That said, some of the hare-brains who "interpreted" the council at the parish (or Newman Center) level were plenty dogmatic in their (sometimes spoken) insistence that the Church was a mess before Vatican II.

And most of these folks were laypeople and maybe a few (or more than a few) wacko religious. Neither group has the authority to interpret anything with authority, much less a General Council.

I cannot tell you how many times some misguided parishioner has attempted to interpret V-II to me. These folks employ their favorite expression. The spirit of Vatican II Gawd . . . I HATE that expression.

4:11 PM  
Blogger Anthony said...

The Spirit of Vatican II should be a perfume that smells of mothballs, felt banners, and the inside of an acoustic guitar.

I was an unfortunate victim of the VII clergy, suffering education at the hands of "sisters" in blue suits and comfortable shoes.

It took walking away from my faith and a path of study and meditation on the Truth of the Faith to lead to my reversion and appreciation for the beauty of the Church as it is not as the Bernadin Brigades wish it would be.

The good news is that the majority of the people that I know in my age group, (mid 30s) who are practicing Catholics, are of a similar mind when it comes to the crap that came out of the 60s and 70s.

5:44 PM  
Blogger Mac McLernon said...

Thanks for the link, Cavey...

However, my point is that these sorry liberal types (I'm feeling mellow this evening... overdosing on Benylin cough syrup, so I won't be calling them heretics) don't actually follow Vatican II either!

Vatican II absolutely affirmed papal infallibility, the need for conscience to be informed by the Church, the primacy of Latin and plainchant in the liturgy, a male priesthood, etc. etc.

This bunch just want to get rid of the teachings they don't agree with. That means that they ARE, effectively protestant, only without the intellectual and moral integrity needed to get up and leave.

6:59 PM  
Blogger JLS said...

Close to the first time I sat on the expansive "quad" lawn at my university campus in Spring of '67, with some babe with a great sweater, the guitar strumming and song wafted across a short distance from lo and behold my anthro teaching asst, who was busy entertaining a group of coeds and the dorks following them around.

I hardly even considered my Lutheran upbringing let alone knew anything much about Catholicism. But I could sense this chick was Catholic and had come from parochial schools.

So, as she looked wistfully over at the tranquil little scene, I felt the need to explain to her that the anthro dude was singing an ancient American Indian song. I thought this might put her in some kind of mood other than stiff and formal. She unfazedly replied that the title of the song was "Cumbayah". I had never heard this, and so she explained it was a camp song. I then recalled all my cub scout and boy scout camping trips and that I'd never heard the song.

That may well have been my intro to the Vatican II phenomenon. Later that year I spent an hour trying to talk her into a date that saturday night. The setting was after my shift in the dishwashing room of the off campus girls dorm of 600 girls. It was one of those times when no matter how many chicks had nothing better to do than tell me no ... later I worked on a bottle of Jim Beam and borrowed my roomy's 750 Norton Atlas, rolled it out of the apt, down the stairs, kicked 'er into gear and remember the speedo bouncing on the peg about 110mph, the handbrake bouncing in the slipstream because it had come loose, and the fact that without goggles it was hard to see while wearing contact lenses. Somehow I survived that midnight ride. I have no recall of how I got that heavy bike back up the stairs.

So that was one of my first experiences with Catholicism. Women do strange things to men. I'm blaming it on Vatican II.

10:40 PM  

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