A Tale Of Two News Articles
♪♪ One of these articles is not like the other! ♪♪
Below is just a sliver of an article in regards to Bishop Edward J. Slattery of Tulsa, and after that, an article from the WilmingtonRed Star, oops, Star News;
Bishop of Tulsa "turns his back on the people" during Mass
TULSA, Okla. (CNS) -- When he celebrates Mass at Tulsa's Holy Family Cathedral, Bishop Edward J. Slattery of Tulsa now faces the crucifix on the altar with his back to the congregation.
He has restored the liturgical practice, called "ad orientem," because he said it reflects "a more authentic Catholic worship."
The bishop, writing in the September issue of Tulsa's monthly diocesan magazine, Eastern Oklahoma Catholic, said the liturgical practice, largely abandoned in the 1960s, demonstrates how the priest and the congregation share in the act of worship.
"In the past 40 years," he wrote, "this shared orientation was lost; now the priest and the people have become accustomed to facing in opposite directions. The priest faces the people while the people face the priest, even though the Eucharistic prayer is directed to the Father and not to the people." Keep in mind that the alleged reporter of this next article is suppose to get all of her info from the Diocesan Director of Communications (and however he authorizes on behalf of the Bishop to provide info), I may be wrong, but I get the distinct impression that someone just may have somehow interjected their own 2¢ worth. But I may be wrong.
August 28th, 2009 10:30am 
THE DIVINE DIVA: Regular traditional Latin Masses to be hosted at St. Mary
by Amanda Greene
Something sort of unusual is coming to Wilmington’s Catholic community this weekend - diocese-approved traditional Latin Masses or the Tridentine Mass. The Tridentine Mass was the service used in the Catholic church for 1,500 years before the Second Vatican Council (and what an objective website THIS is!) when the pope introduced a new Mass in the vernacular. Learn more about the Tridentine Mass here. The first of a series of monthly Tridentine Masses is at 7 p.m. Aug. 30 at St. Mary Catholic Church on the corner of fifth and Ann streets.
I say sort of because Latin Masses have been hosted in Catholic churches here intermittently for years, but they were usually said by priests outside the Diocese of Raleigh. And this is the first time it’s been approved by the bishop of the Diocese of Raleigh, Bishop Michael Burbidge. St Mary is merely hosting the diocesan-sponsored event.
A little background.
“On July, 7, 2007, Pope Benedict XVI released an Apostolic Letter, accompanied by a letter to all Bishops of the world, noting the Church has two forms of celebration of the Mass; the Mass in the local language and the “extraordinary form of celebration” known as the Tridentine Mass,” wrote Frank Morock, the press liaison for the diocese. “He requested that all dioceses provide opportunities for the faithful, where possible, by September 14 2007. Bishop Michael F. Burbidge implemented the Holy Father’s request on that day at a Mass celebrated at Sacred Heart Church in Dunn, by Father Paul Parkerson, pastor of the church. Bishop Burbidge was the homilist.”St. Mary will be the fifth parish where the Mass is regularly celebrated in the diocese. Here are the other parishes: Sacred Heart Cathedral in Raleigh, Sacred Heart Church in Dunn, Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Rocky Mount and St. Bernadette Church in Fuquay-Varina.
Parkerson is the officiant for Wilmington’s Tridentine Masses, though Father Walter Ospina celebrated the Latin Mass at St. Therese Catholic Church in Wrightsville Beach before he was transferred last year. There are only five priests in the diocese who are trained to celebrate the Tridentine Mass. Parkerson did not return calls this week about the Masses.
The Latin Mass has garnered controversy with some groups who call some parts of it anti-Semitic, including a prayer for the conversion of the Jews.
Pope Benedict XVI has rebuked those fears publicly saying that the vernacular Masses will continue to be the main form of liturgical celebration for most Catholics.
Sacred Heart Cathedral
100 Hillsborough Street
Raleigh, NC 27603
4:30pm First Sunday of every month
Sacred Heart Church
108 S. McKay Avenue
Dunn, NC 28335
12:00pm Every Sunday
Our Lady of Perpetual Help Church
328 Hammond Street
Rocky Mount, NC 27804
6:00pm Every Sunday
St. Bernadette Church
1005 Wilbon Road
Fuquay-Varina, NC 27526
9:00am Every Tuesday
St. Mary Church
5th Avenue at Ann Street
Wilmington, NC 28401
7 pm last Sunday of every month beginning 8/30/09 Is it just me, or does this seem just a little more than nonobjective?
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UPDATE!!
I just received a comment on this posting, and it's way too good to stay just in the ComBox;
Adeodatus49 said...
Greene doesn't know what she's talking about. Why am I not surprised? She is probably somebody's mouthpiece.
The Tridentine Mass is not 1,500 years old. In the 16th Century, Pope St. Pius V decided to standardize the normative liturgy of the Church which had experienced multifarious uses over time, and in some cases became subject to liturgical abuse.
What came down as the Mass of Pope St. Pius V, known colloquially (and sometimes erroneously) as the Tridentine Latin Mass, was the very ascetic and "nobly" simple Mass of the Roman Curia which, by tradition, goes back to Pope St. Peter. St. Pius embellished it with elements from the Gallican liturgies. One example of embellishment is the Gloria which in the Byzantine East is recited during Great Compline, the night prayer during for eves of major feasts and Sunday celebrations.
Another thing she messed up on. Greene stated that the modern mass, i.e., the Ordinary Form, is the the form that is said in the vernacular. The official version of the N.O.M is LATIN, not any of the vernaculars of the world today. It can be said in Latin which would have the advantage of by-passing the inadequate English translation of the old ICEL. So the "Latin Mass" could very well be the Mass of Pope Paul VI as amended since 1970 or the Mass of Pope St. Pius V, as amended down through the Roman Missal of 1962. Greene should have been specific and careful when talking about the Catholic mass.
Folks, this is Catholicism 101. Even a mouthpiece ought to get this right, unless of course there is another agenda going on.
Another GROSS error which borders on slander is the prayers for the conversion of Jews. It is not found in the mass, but in the traditional Good Friday liturgy which is a pre-sanctified liturgy (ask the Orthodox about this liturgy--it is attributed traditionally to Pope St. Gregory the Great whom the East calls the Dialogos.).
I agree with Pope Paul VI in modifying this prayer so as not to give undue offense to the Jews. The term "perfidious" merely means faithless (strictly vis-a-vis Jesus Christ the Lord), but does not mean that Jews do not believe in God. Also, "perfidious" has an awful sound to it (IMHO) just as the terms: rapist, child molester, etc. So if we are to use these terms, we must really mean them and they must be true.
That said, we must still pray for the Jews because Jesus Himself said "Unless you are born of water and the Spirit, you shall not enter the Kingdom of God." Water Baptism is the ordinarily necessary means of salvation. This has been Divinely revealed to the Church by Jesus Christ through sacred scripture, and it therefore a Dogma of the Faith.
The Latin Mass according to the Roman Missal of 1962 ought to be said in every parish Church, not just in special Churches. It is up to the laity to make this happen. According to Summorum Pontificum, all that is needed is a "stable" group of laity to make the request. The bishop has to comply.
Ooops! Another long post. This one struck a sensitive nerve in me. LOL
♪♪ One of these articles is not like the other! ♪♪
Below is just a sliver of an article in regards to Bishop Edward J. Slattery of Tulsa, and after that, an article from the Wilmington
TULSA, Okla. (CNS) -- When he celebrates Mass at Tulsa's Holy Family Cathedral, Bishop Edward J. Slattery of Tulsa now faces the crucifix on the altar with his back to the congregation.
He has restored the liturgical practice, called "ad orientem," because he said it reflects "a more authentic Catholic worship."
The bishop, writing in the September issue of Tulsa's monthly diocesan magazine, Eastern Oklahoma Catholic, said the liturgical practice, largely abandoned in the 1960s, demonstrates how the priest and the congregation share in the act of worship.
"In the past 40 years," he wrote, "this shared orientation was lost; now the priest and the people have become accustomed to facing in opposite directions. The priest faces the people while the people face the priest, even though the Eucharistic prayer is directed to the Father and not to the people."
THE DIVINE DIVA: Regular traditional Latin Masses to be hosted at St. Mary
by Amanda Greene
Something sort of unusual is coming to Wilmington’s Catholic community this weekend - diocese-approved traditional Latin Masses or the Tridentine Mass. The Tridentine Mass was the service used in the Catholic church for 1,500 years before the Second Vatican Council (and what an objective website THIS is!) when the pope introduced a new Mass in the vernacular. Learn more about the Tridentine Mass here. The first of a series of monthly Tridentine Masses is at 7 p.m. Aug. 30 at St. Mary Catholic Church on the corner of fifth and Ann streets.
I say sort of because Latin Masses have been hosted in Catholic churches here intermittently for years, but they were usually said by priests outside the Diocese of Raleigh. And this is the first time it’s been approved by the bishop of the Diocese of Raleigh, Bishop Michael Burbidge. St Mary is merely hosting the diocesan-sponsored event.
A little background.
“On July, 7, 2007, Pope Benedict XVI released an Apostolic Letter, accompanied by a letter to all Bishops of the world, noting the Church has two forms of celebration of the Mass; the Mass in the local language and the “extraordinary form of celebration” known as the Tridentine Mass,” wrote Frank Morock, the press liaison for the diocese. “He requested that all dioceses provide opportunities for the faithful, where possible, by September 14 2007. Bishop Michael F. Burbidge implemented the Holy Father’s request on that day at a Mass celebrated at Sacred Heart Church in Dunn, by Father Paul Parkerson, pastor of the church. Bishop Burbidge was the homilist.”St. Mary will be the fifth parish where the Mass is regularly celebrated in the diocese. Here are the other parishes: Sacred Heart Cathedral in Raleigh, Sacred Heart Church in Dunn, Our Lady of Perpetual Help in Rocky Mount and St. Bernadette Church in Fuquay-Varina.
Parkerson is the officiant for Wilmington’s Tridentine Masses, though Father Walter Ospina celebrated the Latin Mass at St. Therese Catholic Church in Wrightsville Beach before he was transferred last year. There are only five priests in the diocese who are trained to celebrate the Tridentine Mass. Parkerson did not return calls this week about the Masses.
The Latin Mass has garnered controversy with some groups who call some parts of it anti-Semitic, including a prayer for the conversion of the Jews.
Pope Benedict XVI has rebuked those fears publicly saying that the vernacular Masses will continue to be the main form of liturgical celebration for most Catholics.
Sacred Heart Cathedral
100 Hillsborough Street
Raleigh, NC 27603
4:30pm First Sunday of every month
Sacred Heart Church
108 S. McKay Avenue
Dunn, NC 28335
12:00pm Every Sunday
Our Lady of Perpetual Help Church
328 Hammond Street
Rocky Mount, NC 27804
6:00pm Every Sunday
St. Bernadette Church
1005 Wilbon Road
Fuquay-Varina, NC 27526
9:00am Every Tuesday
St. Mary Church
5th Avenue at Ann Street
Wilmington, NC 28401
7 pm last Sunday of every month beginning 8/30/09
I just received a comment on this posting, and it's way too good to stay just in the ComBox;
Greene doesn't know what she's talking about. Why am I not surprised? She is probably somebody's mouthpiece.
The Tridentine Mass is not 1,500 years old. In the 16th Century, Pope St. Pius V decided to standardize the normative liturgy of the Church which had experienced multifarious uses over time, and in some cases became subject to liturgical abuse.
What came down as the Mass of Pope St. Pius V, known colloquially (and sometimes erroneously) as the Tridentine Latin Mass, was the very ascetic and "nobly" simple Mass of the Roman Curia which, by tradition, goes back to Pope St. Peter. St. Pius embellished it with elements from the Gallican liturgies. One example of embellishment is the Gloria which in the Byzantine East is recited during Great Compline, the night prayer during for eves of major feasts and Sunday celebrations.
Another thing she messed up on. Greene stated that the modern mass, i.e., the Ordinary Form, is the the form that is said in the vernacular. The official version of the N.O.M is LATIN, not any of the vernaculars of the world today. It can be said in Latin which would have the advantage of by-passing the inadequate English translation of the old ICEL. So the "Latin Mass" could very well be the Mass of Pope Paul VI as amended since 1970 or the Mass of Pope St. Pius V, as amended down through the Roman Missal of 1962. Greene should have been specific and careful when talking about the Catholic mass.
Folks, this is Catholicism 101. Even a mouthpiece ought to get this right, unless of course there is another agenda going on.
Another GROSS error which borders on slander is the prayers for the conversion of Jews. It is not found in the mass, but in the traditional Good Friday liturgy which is a pre-sanctified liturgy (ask the Orthodox about this liturgy--it is attributed traditionally to Pope St. Gregory the Great whom the East calls the Dialogos.).
I agree with Pope Paul VI in modifying this prayer so as not to give undue offense to the Jews. The term "perfidious" merely means faithless (strictly vis-a-vis Jesus Christ the Lord), but does not mean that Jews do not believe in God. Also, "perfidious" has an awful sound to it (IMHO) just as the terms: rapist, child molester, etc. So if we are to use these terms, we must really mean them and they must be true.
That said, we must still pray for the Jews because Jesus Himself said "Unless you are born of water and the Spirit, you shall not enter the Kingdom of God." Water Baptism is the ordinarily necessary means of salvation. This has been Divinely revealed to the Church by Jesus Christ through sacred scripture, and it therefore a Dogma of the Faith.
The Latin Mass according to the Roman Missal of 1962 ought to be said in every parish Church, not just in special Churches. It is up to the laity to make this happen. According to Summorum Pontificum, all that is needed is a "stable" group of laity to make the request. The bishop has to comply.
Ooops! Another long post. This one struck a sensitive nerve in me. LOL
posted by Kevin Whiteman at
9:12 AM
10 Comments:
This woman's article pissed me off to no end. She continuously referred to my Priest as "Parkerson". Such purposful disrespect. I sent this email to her:
Ms. Greene,
Apparently you do not seem to understand the full breadth of respect that a Priest should garner. Your constant referral to Father Paul Parkerson as just Parkerson is disgraceful and disrespectful.
Maybe you should take some time to read up on the subject matter to which you write. Of course that would mean more work than you want to do, as a Diva.
Greene doesn't know what she's talking about. Why am I not surprised? She is probably somebody's mouthpiece.
The Tridentine Mass is not 1,500 years old. In the 16th Century, Pope St. Pius V decided to standardize the normative liturgy of the Church which had experienced multifarious uses over time, and in some cases became subject to liturgical abuse.
What came down as the Mass of Pope St. Pius V, known colloquially (and sometimes erroneously) as the Tridentine Latin Mass, was the very ascetic and "nobly" simple Mass of the Roman Curia which, by tradition, goes back to Pope St. Peter. St. Pius embellished it with elements from the Gallican liturgies. One example of embellishment is the Gloria which in the Byzantine East is recited during Great Compline, the night prayer during for eves of major feasts and Sunday celebrations.
Another thing she messed up on. Greene stated that the modern mass, i.e., the Ordinary Form, is the the form that is said in the vernacular. The official version of the N.O.M is LATIN, not any of the vernaculars of the world today. It can be said in Latin which would have the advantage of by-passing the inadequate English translation of the old ICEL. So the "Latin Mass" could very well be the Mass of Pope Paul VI as amended since 1970 or the Mass of Pope St. Pius V, as amended down through the Roman Missal of 1962. Greene should have been specific and careful when talking about the Catholic mass.
Folks, this is Catholicism 101. Even a mouthpiece ought to get this right, unless of course there is another agenda going on.
Another GROSS error which borders on slander is the prayers for the conversion of Jews. It is not found in the mass, but in the traditional Good Friday liturgy which is a pre-sanctified liturgy (ask the Orthodox about this liturgy--it is attributed traditionally to Pope St. Gregory the Great whom the East calls the Dialogos.).
I agree with Pope Paul VI in modifying this prayer so as not to give undue offense to the Jews. The term "perfidious" merely means faithless (strictly vis-a-vis Jesus Christ the Lord), but does not mean that Jews do not believe in God. Also, "perfidious" has an awful sound to it (IMHO) just as the terms: rapist, child molester, etc. So if we are to use these terms, we must really mean them and they must be true.
That said, we must still pray for the Jews because Jesus Himself said "Unless you are born of water and the Spirit, you shall not enter the Kingdom of God." Water Baptism is the ordinarily necessary means of salvation. This has been Divinely revealed to the Church by Jesus Christ through sacred scripture, and it therefore a Dogma of the Faith.
The Latin Mass according to the Roman Missal of 1962 ought to be said in every parish Church, not just in special Churches. It is up to the laity to make this happen. According to Summorum Pontificum, all that is needed is a "stable" group of laity to make the request. The bishop has to comply.
Ooops! Another long post. This one struck a sensitive nerve in me. LOL
No need to apologize. If anything -- a thousand thanks.
Cavey,
I just looked over the Vaticum Secundum web site in your link and read some of the eggregious material therein. Big mistake on my part! It nauseated me and I am supposed to leave in a few minutes for a wedding reception! There goes my pigging out. The reception is in the form of a Luau. I guess even in the Cave one must be very, very careful with what one reads! LOL
Thanks for the advertising, Cavey. Hope it helps. I just took some of that awful pink stuff to settle my stomach and now I am about to leave for the party!
The groom's father is a very close friend of mine from the Navy. We served on the same fast attack nuclear powered submarine so many years ago. Of course you know that there will be some brewski there. I'll need it to survive V-II!! LOL
Jim and I (the two Jims) will be toasting the bride and groom. Then like the good bubble heads we are, we will toast the submarine service, the Navy, and of course our shipmates in the USMC. And I will be sure to toast the Cave!
Semper Fi!
Jim C.
. . . whose daughter will be his designated driver.
Perhaps just praying for the Jews, the Chosen People of God, that they may someday recognize that Jesus Christ is the Messiah of the Jews and of the whole World.
. . . or words to that effect.
We can say the same thing in different ways without giving overt offense, yet without the wimping out that so often occurs in evangelization and ecumenical activities.
I think we must also remember that WWII and the holocaust of 12+ million people, 6 million of whom were Jews has changed things. The prayers of the Good Friday liturgy long pre-date the 20th Century. We can understand the specifics of those prayers in the context of the times in which they were written or perhaps realize that there are folks in later ages (such as today) who will never understand them in that context. Thus, we adjust without compromising the Faith.
Yes, I recognize that the post-VII Church has been compromised in many ways. I have read of liberal Jewish leaders (who are not really Jews IMHO) who insist the CC formally recognize that the Jews have their own separate and parallel path to righteousness and salvation. This is rank heresy for the CC to sign on to. It is a form of religious indifferentism, one of the principal results of an inadequate and failed ecumenical program run by RC liberals in the post-VII CC.
I don't know if my previous post (reply) to Former Altar Boy took. It is too long to repeat, but I may not have answered his question directly.
No, I don't think "faithless Jews" is appropriate for the reasons I stated in my post previous to yours. Yes, I recognize this is only my opinion, and that others are not bound by it. Nonetheless, and like or or not, recent hierarchical decisions have decided to modify the prayer as Pope Paul VI did. Those Apostolic decisions are authoritative, even if some of us do not think they were appropriate.
There are many things re: the fall-out from V-2 that I dislike or even disagree with. But aside from heretical actions, we Catholics are bound in obedience to them in one way or the other as particular circumstances warrant.
Our bishops do not have the right to be wrong, but apparently they have the authority to be wrong, and at times, to screw up royally. I can think of Assisi I as a prominent example of a major screw-up, even if the intentions were honorable.
Was it not Bl John XXIII who removed the word 'perfidious" from the MR?
And the holy father has re-written the prayer entirely, and, IMHO with perfect orthodoxy.
Cavey - nonobjective is an understatement. The agenda was clear to me,do as much damage as possible by misrepresentation & innacuracies. This is clearly an attempt to undermine any attempts to provide greater access to the TLM.
Adeo49 - Great refutation of all that was wrong with Greene's article. As for that so-called Vatican II website, the only thing that surprized me was that they had links to the actual documents. Most of these "Spirit of Vatican II" types don't want to get anywhere near the actual documents as the documents undermine rather than their claims. Of course, they could have the links up for appearances sake only.
Simplex - I am on the same page as you with how I felt about this article. Are they that hard up for sspace that a simple "Fr." before his name was too much?
Was it not Bl John XXIII who removed the word 'perfidious" from the MR?
I stand corrected. I should have checked my sources first.
Re: the V-2 web site. I didn't check the alleged links to the Council documents. I think I will go back and look again.
I also agree with the statements criticizing the lack of "Fr." before a priest's name. But I too am not without sin in this regard. E.g., On another web site, I regularly refer to Cardinal Mahony as the "Red Guru." Then again, they say truth is an absolutely defense under the law! LOL I have a couple of other "handles" available for other clerics with whom I take issue.
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