Monday, March 24, 2008

Finding the Truth: The Old Mass Has It All.

No doubt many of us who are big fans of Cavey and his Cave, spend several hours each week reviewing Traditional Catholic web sites, and taking the pulse of the Church today. With our current Holy Father turning the liberals upside down, it is fascinating watching a new generation of Roman Catholics find the old Mass, find Tradition, find the TRUTH!

Below are several comments from an article regarding the old Mass (Extraordinary form of the Roman Rite). Enjoy them.

Semper Fidelis Holy Father!
Posted Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:18 AM By Janek Amazing in just a couple of years since he became Pope Benedict the XVI with the Moto propio and his wearing of pre-Vatican 2 chasubles, mitres, the six candlesticks and central crucifix returned to the altar at St. Peters Basilica, Latin chant returning, the F.S.S.P., Institute of Christ the King, all swelling with seminarians and the waiting list a mile long.

Posted Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:32 AM By Ramon Wals A very grave error made by the post conciliar fathers to ignore the Traditional Latin Mass to the point of almost abolishing it. Thanks and praise God that our Holy Father Benedict XVI corageously issued the Summorum Pontificum, and once more the Mass of all Ages is restored in all his glory!

Posted Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:36 AM By Janek This is truly the return of tradition and true restoration the Roman Church has been waiting for over 40 years in the wilderness. Yes, there are people like Mahony still wearing hippie tiedye vestments, his dancing girls, kool-aide pitchers, kiss of peace, hand holding, guitars, altar-girls, in other words everything that is not remotely Catholic. Take a look around and see for yourself the Traditional Latin Masse's popping up in diocese after diocese, and most important they are being performed by Archbishops and Bishops themselves, one could never have seen that a few short years ago under the JP 2 papacy. My thinking is many of these bishops understand they will soon like ourselves meet our Lord and they must explain to him why they let this crap of post Vatican 2 go on and on! Benedict the XVI knows very well what has to be done and with his new Papal master of ceromonies Monsg. Marini the old Marini with his Broadway shows he put on is out thank the Lord. Yes of course the Novus Ordo crowd is screaming to high heaven about all the lace, gold, Latin chant, kneeling, genuflecting, women and girls wearing mantillas on their heads, men in dress suits, well get used to it this is called the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church and Benedict the XVI is now leading it DEO GRATIAS BENEDICTUS XVI !!!!!!! Posted Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:39 AM By Mary Kathryn, hermit Most of the "new Mass" errors come from a mythological version of Vatican II created by an ultra liberal faction and taught to all as "truth"; when I reread the Documents 30 years ago and found many of the things I'd been taught as "commanded by Vatican II" were IN FACT REPEATEDLY FORBIDDEN -- like passing the chalice and paten around (instead of priest giving everyone Holy Communion) I had to question my traiing and do my own remedial education by actually rereading the Documents and later Implementation Documents. The new Mass is OK but lacks the profound sense of our unworthiness and need of God's mercy that radiates from Tridentine. New Mass is rarely done as prescribed -- because so many priests were taught that it was wrong to be "slaves to the rules" and they had to be consantly "innovating". Essentially, their formation was "Mass is so dull you have to juice it up so people don't fall asleep.:" Those at fault are the ones who formed our priests in these errors. A 5th column? How did such an organized wrong interpretation of V2 come into being and get perpetrated in seminaries and religious orders? Posted Sunday, March 23, 2008 12:12 PM By Former Altar Boy Leonard, I was an altar boy in the "old" rite (now the newly resplendent "extraordinary" rite) and because I know how to read the English ont he right side of my missal while the priest says the same words in Latin, I miss nothing. The traditional Mass is certainly more reverent than the self-centered Mass of Vatican II with all its novelties and nonsense not to mention all the changes NEVER called for much less even mentioned in Vatican II. Posted Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:33 PM By Mary Teresa Our two young children, ages 3 and 9, are far more reverent and well behaved in the Traditional Latin Mass. They pay rapt attention to what is going on on the altar and they sense that something sacred and mysterious, something truly great, is taking place. They feel much closer to God at the Traditional Latin Mass and the older one has absolutely no problem following the Latin. She knows the responses with or without the missal and she will be well ahead of her classmates when she starts a formal study of the language next year in the fifth grade at her Catholic elementary school. Of course, most of her classmates don't even attend Mass on Sundays, but I have a feeling that this is changing. We are at the beginning of a great revival. By the way, the TLM at St. Agnes Church here in Manhattan was standing room only today for Easter Sunday.
Posted Monday, March 24, 2008 1:21 AM By Veritas I'm a sophomore in college and now only attend Mass in the Old Rite. The Novus Ordo Missae was the work of a man (Father/Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, credibly suspected of Freemasonry) seeking to remove much of what was genuinely Catholic from the Mass to form a sort of overdone handshake with Protestant "worship." It should surprise no one that several Protestant ministers advised its creation. It should also be noted that language isn't necessarily the biggest of issues here. I would find an Old Rite Mass celebrated reverently in the vernacular as infinitely preferable to the Novus Ordo. The trouble is that the essence of the Mass was changed to where the New Rite gives a Protestant air of reenacting the Last Supper with an assembly, when the Old Rite places emphasis on Christ's Holy Sacrifice AND how we partake of that Sacrifice in becoming part of the Body of Christ with Holy Communion. The Last Supper and the Holy Sacrifice on the Cross (and all Masses, past, present and future) are moments existing outside of time. They are not, never were, and never shall be prisoners of their age. The Mass is timeless; and this is something one understands in the Old Rite a great, great deal more than in the Novus Ordo.


Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Huzzah! IF I were Pope it'd be all TLM all the time: just with the option of also doing it with the vernacular or a combo of both (except for Christmas, Easter and Pentecost).

1:09 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Huzzah! IF I were Pope it'd be all TLM all the time: just with the option of also doing it with the vernacular or a combo of both (except for Christmas, Easter and Pentecost).

1:09 PM  
Blogger Joe of St. Thérèse said...

awesome vir! also if you were Pope, could you appoint myself as Abp of LA, (someone's got to fix that mess)

4:05 PM  
Blogger Michael Leggett said...

If One sees The Priest's Chair in back of the Altar, in the Present Alightment, with the Tabernacle removed to the Side, not in its' RIGHTFUL Place @ The Centre, & the Priest is straddled with a Concelebrant on his Right & Left, one will almost think, especially if he was a Mason, the Alignment of Worshipful Master @ The Centre & Junior & Senior Wardens @ his right & left, as if the Church was another Masonic Temple:

Since Bugnini was a Mason, I wonder how many of the 6 Protestant Ministers were from that Dark, Sinister Group;

The Only thing missing would be the Assembly wearing Aprons.

12:32 PM  
Blogger Alicia said...

I stumbled upon your blog and LOVE it. I too attend the Traditional Latin Mass. My child attends school at our parish school. The behavior of the children at Mass is impeccable. These children know our Lord is present on the altar and behave accordingly. When I have had to attend a Novus Ordo Mass because of some family function, I am always appalled. The last time I went I noticed some VERY disturbing things:
1) There was NO Holy water. None.
2) At the end the priest said, "Let us go in peace, to love and serve EACH OTHER".

Now,I am in my 30's, so I was raised with the "new" Mass. I always remember the priest saying, " love and serve The Lord". Wow. How telling.

1:03 AM  

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