Sunday, November 18, 2007

The Prophetic Protestant
Or just a coincidence?

Here's some fascinating perspectives from the Protestant Philadelphia Church of God newspaper, The Trumpet; The entire article is well worth the read. (emphasis mine)

The Significance of Anglicans Turning Catholic
November 14, 2007

A conservative Anglican communion is pleading to be incorporated into the Church of Rome. Reflecting a broader trend, the significance of this event is destined to grow with time. A forecast made in the 1930s is making its way into today’s headlines.

Those headlines would be easy enough to pass over, but they are worth taking a moment to think about. They represent a dangerous weakening of British sovereignty that first glance wouldn’t suggest. Not only that, they confirm just how far ahead of his time was the man making the forecast.

It is against this backdrop that this headline appeared in late October: “Traditional Anglicans ask for full communion with Catholics.”

The Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) is a group of churches with a worldwide membership approaching half a million people. It formed in 1990 from a dozen Anglican churches that broke away from the 80-million-strong Anglican Communion (of which the Church of England is the heart), mostly to protest the liberalism creeping into that organization.

From its beginning, the TAC has had a spiritual affinity with Roman Catholics. Shortly after it formed, it began informal consultations with the Vatican on how to gain formal recognition as part of the Catholic Church. The primate of the group, Archbishop John Hepworth, says, “We have no doctrinal difference with Rome.”

Archbishop Hepworth says, “Unity with Peter is a biblical imperative,” referring to the pope’s claim to be the rightful successor to the Apostle Peter. “What is important, and we are having to learn as a community,” he says, “is to ask not what we think, but what the church says, and five centuries of bad habits are going to die hard.”

Thus, in October, the TAC sent a letter, the text of which was unanimously agreed upon by the communion’s bishops and vicars-general, formally requesting “full, corporate and sacramental union” with the Roman Catholic Church.

This is the situation as it stands. A statement in the British newspaper Catholic Herald in December 1993 appears more and more true: “The days of the Anglican Church are numbered, and most of its worshipers will return to the true faith of their distant medieval forebears.”

Should that prediction occur, it would fully vindicate a similar, far earlier forecast.

For half a century, Herbert W. Armstrong served as editor in chief of what was, during its apex in the 1980s, the world’s most popular newsmagazine, the Plain Truth. Its pages often prophesied of an event that for decades many considered an impossibility—the unification of Protestants with their Roman Catholic mother church. Mr. Armstrong foretold the event as far back as 1934, the year the magazine began.

A sample, from the October 1961 Plain Truth edition: “The pope will step in as the supreme unifying authority—the only one that can finally unite the differing nations of Europe. … Europe will go Roman Catholic! Protestantism will be absorbed into the ‘Mother’ Church—and totally abolished.”

It is because of statements such as these that the Trumpet, which follows the Plain Truth’s pattern of Bible-based news analysis, has closely watched efforts by religious leaders to bring Protestant churches back into communion with the Vatican. These latest moves among Anglicans fit the mold in an astonishing way.


Blogger Paul, just this guy, you know? said...

"This is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our sight!"

9:25 PM  
Blogger Coffee Catholic said...

I don't have anything intelligent to say - but I'll deffinately point out that you post some of the best stuff on this blog! Sorry I'm not much sharper then a spoon. Otherwise I'd leave SO MANY comments here at The Cave! (I'm still lurking and reading though!) God bless!!!!!

9:27 AM  
Blogger Tito said...

Great article Vir.

Continue bringing news from the battlefront to all us civs.

In Christ,


10:10 PM  
Blogger Al said...

While interesting, it is not surprizing the Herbert Armstrong made this prediction. His view was that all other "Christian" Churches were apostate & that only his World Wide Church of God was faithful to the Bible. & that all these other Churches would rejoin with Rome & basically become the "Whore of Babylon".

While since his death the Church he founded & those affiliated like this 1 have cleaned up some of his teachings, basically, his Church better fits into the definition of a cult, not Protestant.

Still even someone like him can get it right, even if for the wrong reason.

4:05 AM  
Blogger mig said...

I think that as the world seeps back into decadance, and people look for strong leadership in the faith we can assume major shifts. And the same can be true in reverse. Feminist will search for a weak Priest, people that are living with a sex partner will look for a sympathetic Priest and whinners will look for a Priest that asks nothing of them, not even to show up.
The migration of church goers are much like parishioners of Wilmington; when a Priest comes to a new parish or leaves a parish people shift.

6:14 AM  
Blogger highchurchman said...

Mr Armstrong was wrong on two counts.

Firstly,historically Anglicans are not protestants. They are a Communion within the One ,Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. They are Members Of Christ and Children of God. The provenance of the Church in Britain, was, according to the claims of the Latin General Councils of the middle ages, within a few years of the death of Christ, 37ad. They held and taught the teachings of the Seven Ecumenical Councils and the Consensus of the Greek Fathers. As well as adopting the 3 Catholic Creeds of Christendom and holding Catholic orders.

Further, Mr, Armstrong talks about the Pope's "Supreme Authority". Catholics believe in the Revelation of Christ once made to the Saints. recorded within Scripture and interpreted through the Holy fathers in Council.(7 Ecumenical Councils.) Where does the Pope get his authority from,pray? I cannot find it in History, scripture or Tradition.

It is ,'made up', of perverse dreams and imagination.

7:36 AM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...

"...Europe will go Roman Catholic! Protestantism will be absorbed into the "Mother" church--and totally abolished."

He says that like it's a bad thing!

11:37 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

highchurchman says-- Further, Mr, Armstrong talks about the Pope's "Supreme Authority". Catholics believe in the Revelation of Christ once made to the Saints. recorded within Scripture and interpreted through the Holy fathers in Council.(7 Ecumenical Councils.) Where does the Pope get his authority from,pray? I cannot find it in History, scripture or Tradition.

It is ,'made up', of perverse dreams and imagination.

So saith the man whose denomination is slouching to oblivion, after centuries of irrelevance.

1:26 PM  
Blogger highchurchman said...

With your permission?

Vir Speluncae Catholicus

I am not a member of a demonination, I am a Catholic and hold to the Faith of two thousand years. There's no doubt that Anglican Catholics are suffering. I do not however see the road to safety in joining a sect that has already added to the Deposit of faith. A deposit we are bound to protect. TAC, has lost faith in the Body of Christ,to my mind and is seeking safety, but I doubt me it will find it in Rome.The main trouble with TAC, is that it doesn't have confidence in the Body of Christ and in that part of it which has nurtured them since their birth.
If you look at the TAC's record since the reforming of the Anglicans since S.Louis, you will find them as anything but a stable body. They run around joining with Protestants at the expense of their Anglican Orders. Now they are throwing themselves at Rome. If Rome is willing that is the Pope's business,but will the TAC be any better Catholics then than now? Will they agree with Infallibilty or Papal Jurisdiction or does this not matter? Is it after all just a case of numbers and not belief!

2:54 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

For someone who claims to be Catholic, you've spent much time defending heretical protestant Anglicanism.

Firstly,historically Anglicans are not protestants.
Holy Mother the Church has already stated for the past 500 years that Anglicanism is nothing more than another sect of that particular heresy known as Protestantism. The rest of your paragraph is talking points straight out of the mouths of the heretics who have been grasping at ecclesiastical straws for the past 5 centuries.

Where does the Pope get his authority from,pray? I cannot find it in History, scripture or Tradition.
Gosh, a "Catholic" who denies Papal Authority? You sound awfully Protestant to me.

It is ,'made up', of perverse dreams and imagination.
A Dogma of The Church is made up and perverse?

There's no doubt that Anglican Catholics are suffering.
Anglican Catholics? No such beast. But then again, if I so desire to call my dog a "Collie Catholic", does that make her a Catholic? Of course not. But the Anglicans have based their entire existance on the same fluff and nonsense.

HCM, you haven't fooled anyone. You espouse heresy. We all know exactly what you are.

5:31 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

I'd like to take this opportunity to reaquaint you with the following that prominently posted on this blog: (note what I've placed emphasis upon)

The Speluncae Codex
1. I'm the Pontifex Maximus of this blog. What I say goes. If you don't like that, too bad.
2. Those listed below under the heading of "Fellow Bloglodytes" are considered family. All others are guests. Conduct yourself accordingly. If you do and don't espouse heresy, we'll all get along swimmingly... and you'll more than likely get added to the ever expanding blog roll.

Sorry HCM, you had your chance. You should have followed the rules. But in all fairness, you espouse heresy, so why should I expect you to follow the rules?

5:37 PM  
Blogger Al said...

An aside I forgot to mention in my 1st post is that 1 of those TAC's is here in DBQ. It will be interesting to see how the Archdiocese reacts when Rome welcomes them back. I assume that they will become Anglican use.

2:53 AM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...


I would almost expect them to be set up like the Eastern Eparchys in the US and elsewhere--under their own bishops.

8:54 PM  

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