Saturday, October 20, 2007

Latin Mass in Seattle
St. Joseph Chapel

I was in Seattle, Washington recently. Knowing I would be there over a weekend, I first checked the list of Latin Masses at the TRADITIO website to see if the classical Latin Mass was available there. (Sad to think being a traditional Catholic requires so much homework – oh for the good old pre-Vat2 days when every Mass in the world was in Latin and as long as you had a missal in your own language, you were set.)

I learned there was one every Sunday at 9:30 at the St. Joseph Chapel with a Father James Reichman, SJ. A quick Mapquest check showed the chapel was less than a half mile from my hotel (was I being blessed or what?).

On Saturday, I called to make sure the info on the website was current. I learned from a recording that what the website listed as the Josephinum Hotel for the location was called the Josephinum Apartments. After walking there Sunday morning, I discovered the place was an old hotel that had obvious been converted into an apartment building for mostly elders. Never did learn if it was run by the diocese.

The chapel was in what was probably the ballroom during the hotel’s heyday, as evidenced by the tall, ornate ceiling. I guess it was a “chapel” because it wasn’t in a stand-alone building that could be called a “church,” but I have been in churches that had less space and seating than this chapel.

There weren’t a lot of religious decorations, but there was one stained glass window as I recall, and Stations of the Cross running down one
inside wall. The proper altar (see picture) was
beautiful in its simplicity and flanked on each
side by large statues of the Blessed Virgin and
St. Joseph (always good to see him recognized
– there was a day when he was represented
in nearly every Catholic church).

The Mass was, as expected, a sacred celebration. The altar boys all seemed well-trained. The one thing that was unusual was that the congregation did not say aloud any of the Latin (or Greek) responses one normally hears at the TLM, i.e. Et cum spiritu tuo, Kyrie eleison, Gloria tibi, Domine, Habemus ad Dominum, etc. I felt a little out-of-place, but responded anyway.

Father returned to the ambo after Mass, for one announcement. He noted it was six years to the day since they started having the Latin Mass there (obviously begun under the indult). The, almost in tears, he said it was probably the best six years of his priesthood. It was a touching moment at then end of a beautiful Mass.


Blogger ignorant redneck said...

Sometimes, I think that orthodox Catholics are a remenant in their own Church.

I'm not even a devote of the TLM--I prefer a well celebrated N.O., with reverence IAW the relevant documents. That's as hard as finding the TLM, sometimes harder!

4:28 PM  
Blogger deb said...

I have never been to a TLM. I don't even know how to go about finding one. But the ceremony sounds beautiful.

6:37 PM  
Blogger Alexander said...

Even the best NO Mass is still inferior because of the watered down prayers, eliminated prayers, added optional forms that help to detract from reference and the sense of the Sacred and eliminated symbolisms that were stripped when fabricating it.

Former Altar Boy, I think if it was a dialog Mass then the people respond. Although I hardly ever see any indication that such and such TLM is a dialog Mass. I have been to several TLM locations with varying degrees in vocal responses from the people. I never respond to anything in a TLM myself. I find that a concentrate and participate better if I say nothing.

11:59 PM  
Blogger paramedicgirl said...

The Josephinium Hotel? My sister and I went to Mass there in February this year, when we were in Seattle for the Father Corapi Lenten Retreat. It's too bad that the TLM can't be held in the Catholic churches isn't it? Why is that, anyway?

1:43 AM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Catholicus said...

Yet again proving the analogy that even if she was dressed in sack cloth, Grace Kelly would STILL be one of the mosr beautiful women to ever come out of Hollywood.


I prefer a well celebrated N.O., with reverence IAW the relevant documents. That's as hard as finding the TLM, sometimes harder!

Possibly proof-positive that the NO is a failed experiment?

7:20 AM  
Blogger ignorant redneck said...

Doggone it Vir, we KNOW it's failed! Not so much because of itself, but because of moonbat priests and liturgists!

I mean, when you got Fr. Z's, and read what the prayers in the Missa Normativa actually say, vs. what the lame assed ICEL translations say, and what the Troutmans and Mahonys have done, it seems that it's not so much the Liturgy itself that has failed, but our Bishops and Priests who have failed!

What makes the TLM superior in celebration, is the fact that its not fallen into the hands of revisionists, relativists or modernists.

I actually had to change diocese to get to a sound celebration, and I can hardly wait for the new translation to be promulgated!

Bp. Troutman should be forced to eat tofu and organic goats milk.

11:29 AM  
Blogger Dad29 said...

What you were expecting was the "Dialog Mass" with spoken (or sung) responses from the laity.

You would be AMAZED at the number of "traditional" Catholics who will NEVER speak those responses...

As though John XXIII and Pius XII were agents of...whatever...

1:16 PM  
Blogger Former Altar Boy said...

Alexander and dad29,
Thanks for the info. I had never heard of a dialogue Mass until you mentioned it. At out local TLM (and every one I can remember from my first 18+ years), the congregaton always says/said the responses at both High and Low Mass. Then today, of all things, while searching for the 21st Sunday after Pentacost, I came across an explanation of the dialogue Mass. The participation doesn't seem quite the same without being able to say the reponses aloud.

4:42 PM  
Blogger Vir Speluncae Orthodoxae said...

Not to veer off topic, but I read the list, and it's saying that the Eastern Rites are not viable. To the guy who wrote that I say, Go pound sand!

6:33 PM  

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