tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post8298801073882011577..comments2024-01-26T00:56:19.791-05:00Comments on The Lair of the Catholic Cavemen: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-90405557452122217402007-07-17T21:54:00.000-05:002007-07-17T21:54:00.000-05:00This may be off topic but I agree with your post t...This may be off topic but I agree with your post that we should feel some measure of gratitude to the SSPX.code monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415655769974691925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-66451735917942377962007-07-16T13:03:00.000-05:002007-07-16T13:03:00.000-05:00I understand Cavey, but as I read pillow bite he d...I understand Cavey, but as I read pillow bite he doesn't seem unhappy about the MP, and ripped "sister" shitsitter a new one. Just ignore him Sarge, turn the other cheek. On the other hand, how anyone can say something like prots are not responsible for schism is beyond me.<BR/><BR/>One thing I'd like to point out to the Roman Prots, by your Patriarch's words I, an Eastern Orthodox am a separated brethren, we love the MP, we applaud his reaffirming your Church's position, and that half of all the priests in the Antiochian Archdiocese in the USA are prot converts all without a Novus Ordo. Any idea why? Give you a hint, it's a keyword in the opening song of Fiddler on the Roof.VSOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12400266818545081938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-88734037463961169042007-07-16T12:16:00.000-05:002007-07-16T12:16:00.000-05:00Catholic Pillow Fight??? And I'm supposed to take...Catholic Pillow Fight??? And I'm supposed to take what they say SERIOUSLY??? Oh broher.Michelle Theresehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16185810008704682978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-34940727126025967152007-07-16T08:08:00.000-05:002007-07-16T08:08:00.000-05:00Paul,You may be right concerning the MP... but tha...Paul,<BR/>You may be right concerning the MP... but that doesn't negate that the guy is a first class jerk. <BR/><BR/>For no reason whatsoever, he initially decided to go after me on his blog concerning FAB's posting entitled "Who's More Inside The Church". Then 2 hours later, he realized that it was Former Altar Boy who posted it. So he changed things around and launched his hissy fit against FAB.<BR/><BR/>I don't recall instigating a damn thing against this freak, but for whatever sick reason, he sees no problem with going after FAB and myself. And then he has the audacity to claim that he's the victim.<BR/><BR/>This guy's a punk who deserves to get slammed.<BR/><BR/>But I do appriciate you trying to mediate. Thanks, Paul. But You know, I don't have to take his grief.Kevin Whitemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019976622801954677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-34503032137602387542007-07-16T05:39:00.000-05:002007-07-16T05:39:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Kevin Whitemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019976622801954677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-61552937532045360452007-07-15T22:29:00.000-05:002007-07-15T22:29:00.000-05:00Cavey, you know I love you like a brother, but in ...Cavey, you know I love you like a brother, but in fairness, as I read Tony's blog, it doesn't look to me like he's unhappy about the <I>Motu Proprio</I>.Sir Galen of Bristolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249011691189216258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-31379327091203801942007-07-15T20:01:00.000-05:002007-07-15T20:01:00.000-05:00FAB,Toni has been excavemunicated. He sent a cyber...FAB,<BR/>Toni has been excavemunicated. He sent a cyber-pout whining how I keep deleting his posts. <BR/><BR/>Obviously, he isn't smart enough to recognize your rhetorical questions.<BR/><BR/>But I must say, I'm still wondering what it was that, out of nowhere, made him launch an attack on you on his blog. I think you may have hit a raw nerve. <BR/><BR/>Yep... you pointed out how his favorite whipping boy just might be right after all. That obviously sent him into orbit. <BR/><BR/>Silly FAB! How dare you point out the obvious!!Kevin Whitemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019976622801954677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-21269371898884767022007-07-15T17:40:00.000-05:002007-07-15T17:40:00.000-05:00Vir,Thanks for having my back."A 'Rad-Trad' is...a...Vir,<BR/>Thanks for having my back.<BR/><BR/>"A 'Rad-Trad' is...anyone who knows the Ave Maria by heart." HAHAHA - loved it! How true!<BR/><BR/>Which brings is a nice seque to what I wanted to say to Tony Pillow Stuffing and his friends:<BR/><BR/>Do you believe the Blessed Virgin Mary, you know, the 'Christ-bearer,' the Mother of God, has a special place in the ecclesiology of your Church? You do? (*suprise*) Then let me ask you, other than maybe the Christmas story, how much time do you think our fallen away brethren spend honoring the Mother of their Brother (ergo, THEIR Mother)? Would zero sound about right? Then tell me what you think of the SSPX (of which I do not belong and have never attended) sending the Holy Father a spiritual bouquet (that a series of ...oh, nevermind) of something like 25,000 rosaries (you do know what they are, I hope). We will await your reply.Former Altar Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751535074291354836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-64325250138769079772007-07-15T17:18:00.000-05:002007-07-15T17:18:00.000-05:00Karen Marie said... A "rad-trad", short for "radic...<I> Karen Marie said... <BR/>A "rad-trad", short for "radical traditionalist", is someone who falsely claims to keep the Holy Tradition as an excuse to separate themselves from the Holy Church and from their proper bishop.</I><BR/><BR/>Does that include Anglicans, Lutherans and Calvinists who also falsly claim to keep Holy Tradition (as they see it per Henry VIII, Martin Luther, John Calvin) as an excuse to seperate themselves from the Holy Church and from their proper bishop? <BR/><BR/>Well... does it?Kevin Whitemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019976622801954677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-66356788836011014882007-07-15T16:56:00.000-05:002007-07-15T16:56:00.000-05:00In that case I want to be a rad-trad too.In that case I want to be a rad-trad too.Cableguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540578511658004285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-80992706380812904482007-07-15T16:48:00.000-05:002007-07-15T16:48:00.000-05:00Robert and Taliesin,Tony has an ax to grind with m...Robert and Taliesin,<BR/>Tony has an ax to grind with me, plain and simple. His ad hominem attack against Former Altar Boy was unwarranted and unprevoked. He just wanted to take a cheap shot... as usual. <BR/><BR/>But anyhow... Robert, that particular non-binding document from V2 simply doesn't cut it. If we're going to have TRUE dialoge... TRUE ecumenism with the Protestants, then we had better come armed with the truth that Catholicism is the One, True Faith that contains the fullness of Truth. Much as The Holy Father has recently stated via the CDF. If we fail to do such, then all we'll have is mealy-mouthed, weak-kneed, groveling ecumania the likes that Tony spews forth.<BR/><BR/>But I honestly do appriciate your thoughts, Robert. Please keep 'em coming.<BR/>________________________________<BR/><BR/>Taliesin,<BR/>Neither Former Altar Boy nor myself "fall under the teachings" of the SSPX. All FAB did was agree with Brian Mershon in his analysis that liberal priests constantly babble on about being huggy-touchy with heretical Protestantism... yet go ballistic at the mere mention of the SSPX. <BR/><BR/>And I voiced the opinion that if it were not for the Abp Lefevbre and the SSPX, then the Traditional Latin Mass would have been smothered to death years ago. And history will bear me out on that one. <BR/><BR/>And like I said to Robert.. I appriciate your thoughts as well, Taliesin.<BR/>____________________________<BR/><BR/>Cable Guy,<BR/>A "Rad-Trad" is, in the fevered mind of Tony, anyone who knows the Ave Maria by heart.Kevin Whitemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019976622801954677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-210188119012176162007-07-15T16:45:00.000-05:002007-07-15T16:45:00.000-05:00A "rad-trad", short for "radical traditionalist", ...A "rad-trad", short for "radical traditionalist", is someone who falsely claims to keep the Holy Tradition as an excuse to separate themselves from the Holy Church and from their proper bishop.Karen Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090780291629471131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-87187885695775562912007-07-15T16:35:00.000-05:002007-07-15T16:35:00.000-05:00rad-trad is shorthand for Radically Traditional. ...rad-trad is shorthand for Radically Traditional. It usually suggests those who dissent from the most recent reforms, to the point of denigrating legitimate authority for accepting things actually permitted by the <A HREF="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm" REL="nofollow">II Vatican</A> documents, such as using the vernacular in Mass.Arkanabar Ilarsadinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00098504849466846551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-6960741510509004802007-07-15T16:12:00.000-05:002007-07-15T16:12:00.000-05:00"Protestants cannot be charged with the sin of sep..."Protestants cannot be charged with the sin of separation. The SSPX can."<BR/><BR/>How Absurd! Protestants--Protest the Catholic Church--Hello--they take our Bible and translate it according to their own doctrine--SEPARATING themselves from the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church!<BR/><BR/>The SSPX on the other hand just wanted to "hold on to the traditions of the Church."<BR/><BR/>sheesh, wah, wah, wah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-22045608100529924522007-07-15T16:04:00.000-05:002007-07-15T16:04:00.000-05:00What the hell is a "rad-trad"?What the hell is a "rad-trad"?Cableguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540578511658004285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-26019052213866765892007-07-15T14:53:00.000-05:002007-07-15T14:53:00.000-05:00I'm in sympathy with your analysis, but doesn't it...I'm in sympathy with your analysis, but doesn't it mean something that the leaders are excommunicated? How can one feel good about sitting under the teaching of an excommunicate? Even if the Society priests are themselves not excommunicate, they derive their priestly office from their Bishops, who are excommunicate. I think some protestants have done great things for the kingdom, and so have the SSPX. That doesn't mean its a good thing to be a member of either.Hesiodos https://www.blogger.com/profile/08479185626243926907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-73577288064794747892007-07-15T14:29:00.000-05:002007-07-15T14:29:00.000-05:00Caveman,Don't think me a liberal--I'm not one in t...Caveman,<BR/><BR/>Don't think me a liberal--I'm not one in the least bit--but it's important to be accurate, so I must point to where Tony is coming from: Vatican II DECREE ON ECUMENISM--UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO, which says in number 3, "But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions made their appearance and quite large communities came to be separated from full communion with the Catholic Church-for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame. The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection." See http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_unitatis-redintegratio_en.html<BR/><BR/>It seems that your dispute with Tony is based on an ambiguity in the terminology used. Which Protestants? Those who were baptized in the Catholic Church and rebelled or those who were baptized outside the Catholic Church and have descended from a long line of Protestants.<BR/><BR/>I'm just trying to be helpful in providing some clarity here.Berthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11999163755841142911noreply@blogger.com