tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post7557877263140126787..comments2024-03-23T05:16:23.443-05:00Comments on The Lair of the Catholic Cavemen: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-18282604711009115542007-08-16T23:18:00.000-05:002007-08-16T23:18:00.000-05:00I'm right there with Anita Moore. Devotion to Our...I'm right there with Anita Moore. Devotion to Our Lady is our best route to conversion of Muslims. We should encourage it in them, without any sort of reservation or qualification. After all, WE know that it's not possible to get closer to Mary without also getting closer to Jesus.<BR/><BR/>Our Lady of Guadalupe also stands upon the moon, and is clothed in the sun (shades of Revelation!). I've read that she's a remarkable piece of Aztec iconography, standing in front of the sun (their chief god) and on the moon (their #2 god), which makes her greater than both, while her gaze shows clearly that she is not divine herself, as Aztec gods >always< stare straight ahead.Arkanabar Ilarsadinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00098504849466846551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-27249128429775397992007-08-16T15:49:00.000-05:002007-08-16T15:49:00.000-05:00I don't understand going to a mosque to attend ser...I don't understand going to a mosque to attend services when you're a Catholic. I've been in several mosques (as a tourist), but never for "services." Once the call to prayer began, we left and were expected to. This seems to be taking the idea of learning a wee bit too far.swissmisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11091563100968996825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-21605371595607816312007-08-13T15:51:00.000-05:002007-08-13T15:51:00.000-05:00Oh, and re: Anita's point, don't forget that Muham...Oh, and re: Anita's point, don't forget that Muhammad's daughter was named Fatima. Where did the Blessed Mother appear in Portugal again?...um...let me think... :-)Kasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12252276821520357094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-33443649421212434122007-08-13T15:50:00.000-05:002007-08-13T15:50:00.000-05:00The followers of islam claim to be from a later so...<I>The followers of islam claim to be from a later son of Abraham, Ismail.</I><BR/>Actually, and this is a nitpicky point, but Ismail is the son of Hagar, Sarah's maidservant, whom Sarah gave to Abraham because she thought she could never bear him children. As I understand it, the reason Muslims claim that's significant is because (theoretically) it would make Ismail the heir of Abraham, not Isaac.<BR/><BR/>But more to the point, I got enough of this kind of one-sided, hippie-dippie "ecumenism" and "interfaith dialogue" when I was growing up in a secular humanist "religious" organization. I think it would be nice if the One True Church would refrain from engaging in it.Kasiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12252276821520357094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-42468199739455530592007-08-11T05:38:00.000-05:002007-08-11T05:38:00.000-05:00I said "THEY" could learn more about their Catholi...<I>I said "THEY" could learn more about their Catholicism. </I><BR/><BR/>You're absolutely right, Paul. I should have realized that you would never lump everyone in with the actions of these mooks.<BR/><BR/>I overreacted. You're right... I'm wrong. Sorry, buddy.Kevin Whitemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019976622801954677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-76282810152808312602007-08-10T21:33:00.000-05:002007-08-10T21:33:00.000-05:00Y'know Cavey, you jarhead, I'm just an old zoomie,...Y'know Cavey, you jarhead, I'm just an old zoomie, not a combat veteran, but if I had to be in a fight, you know you'd be at the top of my list to have to fight beside me.<BR/><BR/><I>... we don't have to look to the moslems for lessons on how to conduct ourselves.</I><BR/><BR/>But you're usually more precise in your language than this (even when you use harsh language). I said "THEY" could learn more about their Catholicism. You and I know this stuff, but those folks in the piece you quoted evidently need to draw their lessons from wherever they can.<BR/><BR/>And since we both know it won't be from the old 1962 missal, they may as well learn to respect <I>somebody</I> who worships on their knees in an unfamiliar language while modestly dressed.<BR/><BR/>It rather reminds me of the university professor who discovered that pictures of naked Africans with body piercings were culture, but pictures of naked Americans with body piercings were pornography.<BR/><BR/>These people no doubt think that people requiring women to dress modestly and wear a veil to kneel and worship Allah in Arabic are interesting and have something important to teach us about our faith. But people who ask women to dress modestly and wear a veil to kneel and worship God in Latin -- as the saints and their grandmothers did -- are reactionary and stupid and shouldn't be "appeased".<BR/><BR/>That's how it struck me, anyhow.Sir Galen of Bristolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249011691189216258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-67819205900069242822007-08-10T18:23:00.000-05:002007-08-10T18:23:00.000-05:00These Franciscans are dangerous people who seem to...These Franciscans are dangerous people who seem to take muslims at their word when they claim to be descendants of Abraham. That MAY be true but if people take the time to read the Old Testament they would discover for themselves that ONLY Abraham's son Isaac(and his descendants) was the one actually BLESSED by God the Father.<BR/><BR/>The followers of islam claim to be from a later son of Abraham, Ismail.<BR/><BR/>Catholic clergy would do us all a favor if THEY took the time to read islam's vile koran. It teaches not LOVE or LIFE but destruction and DEATH. islam's evil mohammed and allah desire what belongs only to GOD. <BR/><BR/>We must all beware of the false prophet mohammed ant its evil allah. ALL RELIGIONS ARE NOT THE SAME!<BR/><BR/>Dominus vobiscum, et cum spiritu tuo!Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00471356215113009261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-71423834531234783822007-08-10T15:49:00.000-05:002007-08-10T15:49:00.000-05:00Oh, sure they could learn better about their Catho...<I>Oh, sure they could learn better about their Catholicism from Islam:<BR/>1. Women should dress modestly in public and in church.<BR/>2. Worship should be conducted in a single worldwide languange.<BR/>3. Congregants should have respect for their celebrants.<BR/>4. Worship is for God, not for the entertainment of the populace.<BR/>5. All the worshipers should fact east, along with the celebrant.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>You know, Paul... Catholicism had all those attributes universally. Until all the great and sweeping changes brought about courtesy of the "Spirit" of Vatican II. <BR/><BR/>The point I'm getting at is, we don't have to look to the moslems for lessons on how to conduct ourselves. We already know how. It's just that most chose to forget (or were never properly taught).Kevin Whitemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019976622801954677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-3918482722219213992007-08-10T12:42:00.000-05:002007-08-10T12:42:00.000-05:00FAB, I agree with you. How many of those "modestl...FAB, I agree with you. How many of those "modestly dressed women" actually dress modestly while attending Mass on Sunday?Motherhenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00847866120253288588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-73612511969411144462007-08-10T11:32:00.000-05:002007-08-10T11:32:00.000-05:00While kneelers are removed or not included in "mod...While kneelers are removed or not included in "modern" Catholic churches (too demeaning and subservient), these modernists will run to a mosque in order to kneel on a "prayer rug." And, while chapel veils or mantillas may be de rigeur at the classical Latin Mass, any woman wearing one to a "New Mass" would no doubt be mocked or shunned, yet those same mockers will think themselves so "in" and ecumenical if they can wear a scarf or entire veil at a mosque. It makes me want to puke.Former Altar Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08751535074291354836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-31987767353005858472007-08-10T11:18:00.000-05:002007-08-10T11:18:00.000-05:00Jay,I didn't label them as terrorists... what I in...Jay,<BR/>I didn't label them as terrorists... what I inferred was that moslems have "<I>no problem with their own kind blowing up themselves, and everyone else in the blast radius</I>". And that's exactly what I think. After all, when was the last time we saw thousands of moslems marching AGAINST suicide bombers? <BR/><BR/>As we use to say in The Corps... Silence Is Consent".Kevin Whitemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019976622801954677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-87691673878734608302007-08-10T07:47:00.000-05:002007-08-10T07:47:00.000-05:00I agree with you that ecumenism is a bad thing, wh...I agree with you that ecumenism is a bad thing, when it involves making allowances of the Catholic faith to suit others. Real ecumenism happens when other faiths are brought into line with the Truths of the Catholic Church.<BR/><BR/>However, I think it is out of order to instantly label the Muslims as terrorist, just because of their faith. That's a narrow minded attitude.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01425338871584190260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-43588289869622923772007-08-10T06:21:00.000-05:002007-08-10T06:21:00.000-05:00Oh, sure they could learn better about their Catho...Oh, sure they could learn better about their Catholicism from Islam:<BR/>1. Women should dress modestly in public and in church.<BR/>2. Worship should be conducted in a single worldwide languange.<BR/>3. Congregants should have respect for their celebrants.<BR/>4. Worship is for God, not for the entertainment of the populace.<BR/>5. All the worshipers should fact east, along with the celebrant.<BR/><BR/>But I do have a question about this cultural "exchange". Dr. Ahmad spoke at the Catholic place; did Fr. Gardiner likewise speak at the mosque? Or was all the "exchange" only one way, with Catholics learning about Islam, but no muslims troubling to learn about Catholicism?Sir Galen of Bristolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249011691189216258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-70031460081024925092007-08-10T02:03:00.000-05:002007-08-10T02:03:00.000-05:00If those Catholics actually participated in those ...If those Catholics actually participated in those services then they have incurred serious mortal sin.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Joyce Evans said, "I left there knowing for certain that our faiths could make us closer to each other. Praying with the Muslims can't take anything away from Catholicism. In fact, it enhances my Catholicism to honor them and work with them."</I><BR/><BR/>What a joke!<BR/>A religion that denies dogmas and the Divinity of Christ cannot enhance Catholicism! It takes away from it! But she is saying the exact opposite! What on EARTH is going on?!<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>BTW, this has nothing to do with ecumenism because ecumenism deals with non-Catholic Christians. This is more of inter-faith dialogue kind of junk.Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998296715568420559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-58386934683846791492007-08-09T22:26:00.000-05:002007-08-09T22:26:00.000-05:00Folks please don't take this the wrong way but wha...Folks please don't take this the wrong way but what were my fellow Odox doing participating at your Advent Vespers? It's very inappropriate to concelebrate with those not in your own communion. Then again the Greek Orthodox is mainly an ethnic ecumenicist group that also hides pervert priests, and IMHO Constantinople hasn't been relevent in 600 years. They should just move it like they did the Vatican for awhile.<BR/><BR/>Now back to the common enemy: Are these Catholics on crack?! Don't they study Church history, or at least talk to Maronite or Melkite Catholics? They'll tell you how "peaceful" "tolerant" Muslims are. And they, the Copts, the Syriacs and the Antiochian Orthodox experience their "fervor" everyday when their churches and homes are bombed. How does embracing those who deny the divinity of Christ, who's prophet had sex with children and murdered people and who's book demands the killing of non-muslims strengthen ones Catholic faith? I could go St. Nicholas on these idiots.VSOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12400266818545081938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-77918880785707857122007-08-09T20:27:00.000-05:002007-08-09T20:27:00.000-05:00God bless you, Caveman, for keeping us informed ab...God bless you, Caveman, for keeping us informed about this stuff. And right-on-the-mark commentary!<BR/>The Poor Friars of the Atonement who started out so promising! When Imam Khan visits Graymoor, I doubt he will hear a sermon about why Catholics believe Jesus is God from God and Muhammed was a murderous lying rapist.<BR/> <BR/>Meanwhile, if Muslim communities choose their imams, what does that tell us when their imams start preaching Jihad?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10751094166090375495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-50205534397605941512007-08-09T18:44:00.000-05:002007-08-09T18:44:00.000-05:00And we hear so much today about how conversion is ...And we hear so much today about how conversion is 'outdated', that we need more 'religios dialogue'. These Muslims skipped the whole conversion part and went right to getting these people to pray along with the 'service'.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08615111645004884355noreply@blogger.com