tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post2904415223497890075..comments2024-03-23T05:16:23.443-05:00Comments on The Lair of the Catholic Cavemen: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-60937293705300771692009-12-01T21:18:01.631-05:002009-12-01T21:18:01.631-05:00Where did the briefly serving Pope John Paul the F...Where did the briefly serving Pope John Paul the First fit into the machinations, or was his sudden demise purely coincidental?JLShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12894953406900161276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-89263630344678783612009-12-01T15:16:08.112-05:002009-12-01T15:16:08.112-05:00"That was easier than the other one [the NO]....<i>"That was easier than the other one [the NO]."</i><br /><br />Very interesting statement! I would just love to know the details, i.e., why it [the TLM] was easier from his perspective.Adeodatus49https://www.blogger.com/profile/16574448503953046867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-1805591414248808282009-11-30T15:16:34.669-05:002009-11-30T15:16:34.669-05:00I recall reading on somebody else's blog that ...I recall reading on somebody else's blog that Abp. Bugnini pulled one of the oldest tricks in the book: as go-between, he told both the Pope and the relevant commission that the other party required the changes that he himself was pushing.Arkanabar Ilarsadinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00098504849466846551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-19824338363732794462009-11-30T12:36:35.232-05:002009-11-30T12:36:35.232-05:00Responsio:
1. The Constitution on the Sacred Lit...Responsio:<br /><br />1. The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy did NOT specify the form of the new mass. While it allowed some vernacular in the liturgy--e.g., the Collect, and biblical readings--it also stated quite clearly that Latin must be retained in the liturgy. It also more or less defined full, conscious active participation in the mass--i.e., the laity should understand some of the prayers, the biblical readings, and sing. This constitution also called for the full restoration of Gregorian Chant to the mass, something Pope St. Pius X attempted and failed. Instead we got the effete & effeminate music of Dan Schutte and the St. Louis Jesuits and the pedestrian hog-wash of Marty Haugen and David Haas. It's enough to turn someone Protestant!<br /><br />2. I am not a fan of Bugnini. In fact I consider his liturgical actions as the Secretary to the Consilium (the organization that tried to build a horse and ended up with a camel) to be reprobate. <br /> <br />3. Pope Paul VI can weep all he wants. He had the power and authority to change things right on the spot! Pope Paul VI deserves most of the blame for our modern liturgy. He authorized the new mass. Now just ask yourselves: where does the buck stop?<br /><br />4. Bugnini a freemason? I don't think we will ever know for sure. The priest who says our TLM (educated in the SSPX seminary in Argentina) under the authority of the Apb. of Santa Fe once told me that 2/3 of the prelates of the Vatican (today) are freemasons. Shocking statement if true? Yes, but not a surprise, ironically.<br /><br />5. Pope Benedict is not without blame vis-a-vis the new liturgy. He was a peritus to one of the German Bishops who helped to hijack the agenda of Vatican II during preparations for the Council. He too favored changes in the liturgy. Now I am not saying he favored what eventually happened, but he was part of all this. Popes John XXIII and Paul VI IMHO bear the principal blame for V-II and its aftermath.<br /><br />6. IMHO Pope John XXIII (I refuse to call him "Blessed.) had a brain f*rt when he suddenly called for another General Council when there were no theological controversies that mandated its calling.<br /><br />I firmly support Pope Benedict in trying to fix things, although I fear that it will take much longer to effect significant change than he has years left to him on planet earty. He's an old man. Who will replace him that might have the vigor and iron will for turning the Church around? How about Cardinal "the Red Guru" Mahony? Just kidding. LOL<br /><br />I too am surprised that this article appeared in the NYT. Remarkably accurate, except for the minor error I pointed out about the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.Adeodatus49https://www.blogger.com/profile/16574448503953046867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-17090010712983935812009-11-30T09:54:57.240-05:002009-11-30T09:54:57.240-05:00"We must strip from our ... Catholic liturgy ..."We must strip from our ... Catholic liturgy everything which can be the shadow of a stumbling block for our separated brethren..."<br /><br />It seems like what were stumbling blocks for Protestants were retaining walls for Catholics...<br /><br />(In other news, my non-Catholic boyfriend said after <b>one</b> attendance at a TLM: "That was easier than the other one [the NO]."Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014553584914438062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18853193.post-49599043156617884772009-11-29T23:28:02.429-05:002009-11-29T23:28:02.429-05:00This was NYT? Really?
Amen.This was NYT? Really?<br /><br />Amen.TCNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12084691508359621184noreply@blogger.com