Saturday, August 07, 2010

"We own no obedience to the Pope"
Interesting video out of the Diocese of Nashville. Presider Breen of St. Edward's in Nashville has some rather interesting things to say, such as;

  • "We owe no obedience [to the Pope] as adults, except to our conscience."
  • In favor of artificial birth control.
  • In favor of divorce.
  • Repeatedly calls for the ordination of women.
  • Blames lack of Latino priests as the reason why Latinos are leaving the Church in droves (no mention of poor catechisis).
  • Calls for democracy instead of theocracy, in direct contradiction to what Christ instituted.
  • "A community... loved by The Lord, and all who love God's people." His emphasis is on 'US', and not on loving and worshiping God.

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20 Comments:

Blogger Ioannes said...

Why isn't this heretic and apostate defrocked and excommunicated? Let him join Bishopress Schori's collection of fruitcakes and nts in the ECUSA where all those things are held to be true? It's still a free country. Obama hasn't yet been successful in destroying all our liberties, though he's working on that tooth and nail.

7:42 AM  
Blogger scotju said...

If he owes no obediance to the Pope, the Pope owes this idiot aboot in the bum!

7:57 AM  
Blogger Vincenzo said...

Looks like the version of the video at the St. Edward web site is gone.

9:00 AM  
Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

Looks like the version of the video at the St. Edward web site is gone.

Maybe so, but look at this video. Go to the St. Edward parish web site:

http://www.stedward.org/default.aspx?url_category_id=47&v_Menu_LeftDir=Asc&site=3

and watch the July 25 web cast of the mass in which Protestant Pastor Breen "stars." It will make you puke!

He has the b@lls to publicize his exercise in personal liturgical narcissism in front of the entire cyber-world! And it just may be an invalid Catholic mass! I don't recognize the eucharistic prayer and he has the deacon pray a portion of the eucharistic prayer after the consecration. Breen's bishop ought to be defrocked for allowing this reprobate priest to do what he does.

2:12 PM  
Blogger tuleesh said...

My G-d! I wish there was a "November 2010" just so that these bums can be kicked out of the Church!

Along with that "Ardent Catholic," the Paraffin Princessa, I mean the BotoxBiddy. No that's not it. It's the, uh, Empress of the House. That's not it, either. The Popessa Pelosi. Wait, wait, wait. Nancy Pelosi, and other "Catholic" politicos of her ilk.

2:37 AM  
Blogger Augustina said...

That jacket gave him away right off the bat.

11:19 PM  
Blogger Al said...

Ade, like you I checked out the website. & I agree with your evealuation of its effect on a person.

Didn't have the courage to look at the Mass video yet. If it was anything like the garbage on the video interview, I have no doubt it is horrible But there were enough other things that were pretty bad.

Was not surprized to see that he has weekly quotes from the New Age Guru, Fr. Richard Rohr. Then there is the fact that he seems more concerned about getting people to donate than he is about authentic Catholic teaching.

All I know is that if I were his Bishop I woukld have had him in the chancery STAT & suspended him from active duty, full speed ahead, damn the liberal torpedoes!!!!!

2:54 AM  
Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

Didn't have the courage to look at the Mass video yet.

Al,

If you decide to watch THE WHOLE THING (mass video), especially the Liturgy of the Eucharist, then it will be much, much worse than the interview. So beware.

Between the two videos, there also are two deacons who should have known better. I can only wonder at the quality or lack thereof of their deacon formation/training programs, or the apparent, episcopal, lack of prudential judgment involved in selecting those two men for the deaconate candidacy program in the first place. Geez!

9:28 AM  
Blogger PreVat2 said...

Cavey,
Let me see if I understand all this: Presider Breen is in full communion with Rome, but the SSPX is not? Did I get that right??

Never mind. Just thought I'd ask.

Semper Fi & God bless Archbishop Lefebvre!

2:03 PM  
Blogger Al said...

Ade, The Mass you talked about is gone. The 2 they have up from August don't have Pastor Breen (can't bring myself to call him Fr.) there. The 1 Aug had lousy sound so I checked out the 8 Aug. But that doesn't mean what I saw was any better.

Here are a few of the horrors I saw/heard (typing them as I watch):

1: Skipped the Gloria
2: The reader made some comments before the 1st reading about being attentive to the "word of God". WTF??? The rest of what I saw makes me wonder why they don't practice what they preach.
3: Priest Touched forehead, lips, chest on, no making a small cross
4: Female gave the homily
5: Apostles Creed (OK, but suspect done merely because it is shorter.)
6: Prayer of faithful - prayed people find faithful & willing servants at St. Edward's. (Forgive sarcasm) Yeah right!
7: (At Offeratory) The ceramic containers of bread & wine looks like what they use to give Communion by intinction, acceptable way, but the materials are breakable which is against ruberics/rules.
8: After "Holy Holy Holy" priest turns arround gets jug of wine & adds some to a couple of the cups(?)
9: Absolutely no reverance as priest prayed Eucharitic prayer. Like he was just giving a memorized speech. Semi-genuflections after concecration lines. (No way will I call what he did praying etc)
10: So many things at Lord's Prayer done wrong. Holding hands arround the altar. Rearranged how it was done & not sure why the1 man & 1 woman were wearing an alb with a stole similar 1 that a priest hear in DBQ wears at times instead of proper stole.
11: Communion Camera too far away to see if receiving on tongue or, as I suspect, self dipping host in wine. (Went back & checked 1 Aug video, was right, self-dipping, again against ruberics.)
12: Sang Happy Birthday to 1 member before recessional.

If this is what it is like without Breen, I can just imagine how much worse it otherwise would be with him!

All I can add is if I had been there I would have either stood up screaming, or walked out, or both. Infamia!!!!!

3:35 AM  
Blogger Al said...

Ade, The Mass you talked about is gone. The 2 they have up from August don't have Pastor Breen (can't bring myself to call him Fr.) there. The 1 Aug had lousy sound so I checked out the 8 Aug. But that doesn't mean what I saw was any better.

Here are a few of the horrors I saw/heard (typing them as I watch):

1: Skipped the Gloria
2: The reader made some comments before the 1st reading about being attentive to the "word of God". WTF??? The rest of what I saw makes me wonder why they don't practice what they preach.
3: Priest Touched forehead, lips, chest on, no making a small cross
4: Female gave the homily
5: Apostles Creed (OK, but suspect done merely because it is shorter.)
6: Prayer of faithful - prayed people find faithful & willing servants at St. Edward's. (Forgive sarcasm) Yeah right!
7: (At Offeratory) The ceramic containers of bread & wine looks like what they use to give Communion by intinction, acceptable way, but the materials are breakable which is against ruberics/rules.
8: After "Holy Holy Holy" priest turns arround gets jug of wine & adds some to a couple of the cups(?)
9: Absolutely no reverance as priest prayed Eucharitic prayer. Like he was just giving a memorized speech. Semi-genuflections after concecration lines. (No way will I call what he did praying etc)
10: So many things at Lord's Prayer done wrong. Holding hands arround the altar. Rearranged how it was done & not sure why the1 man & 1 woman were wearing an alb with a stole similar 1 that a priest hear in DBQ wears at times instead of proper stole.
11: Communion Camera too far away to see if receiving on tongue or, as I suspect, self dipping host in wine. (Went back & checked 1 Aug video, was right, self-dipping, again against ruberics.)
12: Sang Happy Birthday to 1 member before recessional.

If this is what it is like without Breen, I can just imagine how much worse it otherwise would be with him!

All I can add is if I had been there I would have either stood up screaming, or walked out, or both. Infamia!!!!!

3:35 AM  
Blogger Helen said...

The Pastor is too concerned with things of THIS world.

If this priest was the Pastor of our parish my family would have to find ANOTHER parish.

2:41 PM  
Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

Re: Al's last comment

I saw some of your enumerated items in the version that used to be on the web site, but I may have missed some of them. I was in an angry daze watching this liturgical travesty. Also, in the version I saw, Pastor Breen had the deacon reciting some of the eucharistic prayer in the post-consecration part of the EP. And the words of consecration had "for all PEOPLE" instead of "for all" which will soon (fortunately) be "for many." About that time I went ballistic and started up my "sailor talk" out loud. Fortunately, nobody was home to hear my scatological excesses. Unfortunately, God heard it all! And my confessor will know about it too this Sunday before the TLM. Geez.

1:50 PM  
Blogger Al said...

Ade, It sounds to me like they have a huge repertoire of litugical abuses that they use. As I said in my last comment (no idea why it popped up twice) what I saw was an INFAMIA!!!!!

1:35 AM  
Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

Al,

You comments popped up twice because they needed to be looked at a second time (at least), otherwise someone might not believe that so much liturgical abuse could be crowded into one ersatz mass.

And I noticed that I repeated myself in my second post. Chalk it up to another senior moment! :-(

6:18 PM  
Blogger Al said...

Ade wrote: "someone might not believe that so much liturgical abuse could be crowded into one ersatz mass"

As I said. I only mentioned a few of the multitude of sins they did that were captured on the video.

I humbly suggest to any readers that may doubt Ade's or my claims that you please take our word for it. Watching a video of 1 of their Masses might become the near occasion of sin for you if you do decide to check them out. Just look at how it affected Ade. & if I wasn't at work when I saw them, well?????

Also, I've been following this at CMR who broke this story. Sadly Rev. Breen has an (anonymous) fan who is pulling out the old "judge not" cop out to condemn us for daring to say anything bad about Breen.

4:51 AM  
Blogger Al said...

Ade, noticed that Rev B was back this week. Couldn't watch the whole thing only took in a few bits & pieces (& did a lot of fast forwarding to keep the BP down). But a couple things at the beginning were prime examples of what you so rightly called his "personal liturgical narcissism". During the entrance parade he was gladhanding all the way up the aisle. Then he introduced himself which was followed by a round of applause from the audience. For those who may not like it, I cannot call what they did an entrance procession or the people a congregation. It was a performance.

At this point I am swearing off checking things out any further simply because to watch any more would not be condusive to my spiritual wellbeing.

6:51 AM  
Blogger Adeodatus49 said...

Al,

Count yourself blessed you didn't watch more of it. Pastor Breen ad libed the Berekoth (what replaces the TLM offertory) and adlibed Eucharistic Prayer II. At least no deacon prayed part of the EP, but a guest priest concelebrating did. Also, communion involved intinction with the laity coming up taking a host and intincting it themselves with the Precious Blood. More glad handing and applause, etc. This is just too much. Definitely a case of liturgical narcissism. And the people there seem to go for this stuff. So much for sound catechesis.

I'm finished with watching this trash.

2:29 PM  
Blogger Al said...

"Count yourself blessed you didn't watch more of it."

Ade,
The blessing is that God gave me the wisdom to turn it off before it gave me a case of apoplexy.

Was the guest priest the 1 in the black habit? Last I looked even a priest who is a monk has to wear at least an alb & stole not just a stole over the habit, when he concelebrates. Regardless of whether he prays part of the eucharistic prayer or not.

& while intucture is OK, when the priest does it & places the host on the tongue & ONLY the tongue, their dip & go is definitely a HUGE NO NO IMHO (as well as the Catholic Church's official opinion). At this point I have to say I have sincere doubts there was even a valid let alone licit consecration or Mass done in that Church in years.

Given how the audience goes for Rev. B's performance I highly doubt they have had any catechisis & agree with your evaluation that if there was any there was definitely none that was sound.

As you said: "I'm finished with watching this trash."

5:00 AM  
Blogger C said...

Decades ago, he would have gotten away with this and if you complained about it, who would believe you? No more, thanks to the internet. By the way, is this presider a Jesuit? He's espousing a lot of heretical opinions that are very common among that group out here in Berkeley (although mainly among the older generation with a smattering of some younger misguided individuals).

2:18 PM  

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